Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 20, 2017, 8:10 am
#1786
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Cheaper doing it on s/h routes, of course! And if pre-planned, return tix could be bought in advance. I'm sure those with working knowledge of routes and schedules could target flights very effectively, leaving BA ac and crews (and pax, of course) stranded all over Yerp. Not that I would necessarily approve of such action, of course... this is a theoretical discussion 
Jan 20, 2017, 8:29 am
#1787
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If VS could find a marketing upside, I'm sure they'd fly a few MF crew home FOC on their routes.
They could spin it as crew wanting to exercise their right to strike, then BA throwing them out of a hotel and stranding them in a foreign land...
They could spin it as crew wanting to exercise their right to strike, then BA throwing them out of a hotel and stranding them in a foreign land...
Jan 20, 2017, 8:43 am
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So if CC fly to Rio (as an example) go on strike and get flown back to UK by UNITE, what happens when the strike ends a couple of days later? I assume UNITE will have to fly them back Rio again?
Jan 20, 2017, 8:46 am
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Although, as the impact seems to be minimal, there's not a lot to debate anyway. Until the next round of strikes, or some serious developments at ACAS.
Jan 20, 2017, 8:49 am
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Or alternatively (and I assume this is still legal) BA could lock them out? No pay, no hotel, just abandoned in a foreign country.
Jan 20, 2017, 8:50 am
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Jan 20, 2017, 9:09 am
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Jan 20, 2017, 9:35 am
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People would also need to avoid booking with Lufthansa, Air France and Alitalia. All of whom have had, and may continue to have, strikes that have caused far more disruption than these strikes.
Jan 20, 2017, 9:53 am
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Jan 20, 2017, 10:12 am
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Costs in long haul destinations
I met a BA MF CC member in Tesco's yesterday. She said that it was possible to gross approx UKP20k if one worked every possible hour. The problem, she said, was that in some of the long haul destinations that MF fly to, they are encouraged to stay in the hotel because of safety fears. UKP3 per hour for food, drinks and etc. will not go far in a decent hotel, and they have to pay for that themselves. Lagos and Cairo come to mind.
So even if they do get around 20k gross, they have to spend it to live decently.
Not a problem that Legacy Crew faced when they used to enjoy themselves in the New World Harbour View.
So even if they do get around 20k gross, they have to spend it to live decently.
Not a problem that Legacy Crew faced when they used to enjoy themselves in the New World Harbour View.
Jan 20, 2017, 10:16 am
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It's a bit of a merry-go-round really. I believe the airlines all have agreements with each other to carry each others passengers for the same fare that was paid if there is space available. BA would have benefited when Lufthansa were on strike, and no doubt Lufthansa are benefiting now.
Jan 20, 2017, 10:44 am
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Jan 20, 2017, 10:54 am
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Jan 20, 2017, 11:07 am
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