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BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]

BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]

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Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.

*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.

Current strike period:
  • None

Next announced strike period:

    Previous strike periods:
    • 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
    • 10th & 11th January 2017
    • 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
    • 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
    • 17th-20th February 2017
    • 22nd-25th February 2017
    • 3rd-9th March 2017
    • 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
    • 1st-16th July 2017
    • 19th July-1st August 2017
    • 2nd-15th August 2017
    • 16th-30th August 2017

    Routes affected:
    As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).

    Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.

    Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew

    Background Details from BA:
    Strike 19th July-1st August
    2nd August-16th August

    Background Details from Unite:
    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/

    Latest negotiating position:
    Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.

    Key upcoming dates:
    • Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.

    Ballot results for industrial action:
    • First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
    • Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
    • Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:19 pm
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    BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]

    Just heard from a MF friend that they will be balloted on strike action and most intend to strike?

    One link is http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:25 pm
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    I don't blame them.

    The quoted rates are barely above national minimum wage levels.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:27 pm
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    Sounds like they want WW to show them the ******* money.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:31 pm
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    Was mentioned in The Evening Standard this evening as well - surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier.

    If the strike ballot is successful, it looks like New Years could be a potential time frame (my opinion based on end of ballot time table and minimum notice required if action is taken).

    http://http://www.standard.co.uk/new...-a3393781.html

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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:39 pm
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    Sounds like BA have been playing hardball with the salaries. Quelle surprise. Didn't they make CSM's take up to a £9k pay drop at Gatters last year? Great way to incentivise staff…
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:39 pm
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    ….and is that right? NO pay increase AT ALL in 6 years? (since 2010).
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:48 pm
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    Originally Posted by Dicksbits View Post
    ….and is that right? NO pay increase AT ALL in 6 years? (since 2010).
    There has been no pay rise for CSM's since 2010 and the elapsed hourly rate (which is paid in lieu of allowances) has gone up from £2.40 an hour in 2010 to £3.00 an hour in 2014. The proposed pay increase of 2% would see the elapsed hourly rate increased from £3.00 to £3.06.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 3:56 pm
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    Originally Posted by kanderson1965 View Post
    Sounds like they want WW to show them the ******* money.
    And presumably WW/Cruz are waiting to show them the %$*& door ?
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:06 pm
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    I do believe that the senior Gatwick crew did suffer a pay cut last year, although I do not know the details.

    I do hope that BA will be able to provide an increased salary to their crew.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:10 pm
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    It's shameful considering the amount of profit IAG are making.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:18 pm
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    Originally Posted by kanderson1965 View Post
    Sounds like they want WW to show them the ******* money.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:44 pm
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    If you can't afford to pay the bills to live within a reasonable commute from work, then you'll go and find another job that values you
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:51 pm
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    Not sure why they are striking - surely they know what the salary is before they take the job? I am not defending what seems like very low pay, but if you don't like the pay, don't take the job.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 4:58 pm
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    Originally Posted by cme17 View Post
    Not sure why they are striking - surely they know what the salary is before they take the job? I am not defending what seems like very low pay, but if you don't like the pay, don't take the job.
    I think the perceived glamour of the job tends to cloud the judgement of what often young, inexperienced people. Once the reality of the job sets in, they realise thet they are been taken for a ride.
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    Old Nov 11, 16, 5:00 pm
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    Originally Posted by cme17 View Post
    Not sure why they are striking - surely they know what the salary is before they take the job? I am not defending what seems like very low pay, but if you don't like the pay, don't take the job.
    The strike is as a result of a number of issues facing Mixed Fleet Crew. Firstly, the expected salary that was advertised when most people started has turned out to be nowhere near what can be acheived. As this was a new Fleet with a completely new way of working, it wasn't easy to get a precedent on how much earnings could have been. New entrants were told before starting that this was meant to be industry rate plus 10% and this has turned out to be untrue. Whilst other areas of the business have also seen their pay adjusted in line with inflation, Mixed Fleet haven't.

    There is a huge mistrust of the company and their management and unfortunately they have indicated to the Mixed Fleet union they won't negotiate any further than a 6p an hour pay rise.
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