Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 18, 2017, 4:18 am
#1726
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Posts: 282
There we go
"Flight BA0854 on 20-Jan/LHR - This service is operated by Titan Airways on our behalf. We apologise for any issues this may cause."
If I didn't know about these guys from this forum I'd be pretty terrified about that lack of information...
"Flight BA0854 on 20-Jan/LHR - This service is operated by Titan Airways on our behalf. We apologise for any issues this may cause."
If I didn't know about these guys from this forum I'd be pretty terrified about that lack of information...
Jan 18, 2017, 5:36 am
#1727
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Was the food and drink the same as we had prior to BoB (e.g. tiger beer, complimentary snack, cartons of Sunpride juice), or free but based on BoB supplies (M&S food) or does Titan have their own catering arrangements.
Let's hope the answer this time isn't 'none' and the only reason you got catering last time was because they still had surplus supplies from the previous caterer.
When I'd flown to MAN during a previous strike and they had FR operating the flight for BA they just handed out items from the FR menu complimentary.
Let's hope the answer this time isn't 'none' and the only reason you got catering last time was because they still had surplus supplies from the previous caterer.
When I'd flown to MAN during a previous strike and they had FR operating the flight for BA they just handed out items from the FR menu complimentary.
Jan 18, 2017, 7:06 am
#1728
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Herts, UK
Programs: BAEC GGL, HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,179
Was the food and drink the same as we had prior to BoB (e.g. tiger beer, complimentary snack, cartons of Sunpride juice), or free but based on BoB supplies (M&S food) or does Titan have their own catering arrangements.
Let's hope the answer this time isn't 'none' and the only reason you got catering last time was because they still had surplus supplies from the previous caterer.
When I'd flown to MAN during a previous strike and they had FR operating the flight for BA they just handed out items from the FR menu complimentary.
Let's hope the answer this time isn't 'none' and the only reason you got catering last time was because they still had surplus supplies from the previous caterer.
When I'd flown to MAN during a previous strike and they had FR operating the flight for BA they just handed out items from the FR menu complimentary.
food offered was a croissant that looked like the previous offering, however i have never been keen on the breakfast catering in ET. The cups were BA branded so i guess loaded whilst at LHR and not a titan offering.
So far the BA crew cant seem sell to service BOB themselves, so not sure they could expect 3rd party to do this.
Jan 18, 2017, 7:29 am
#1729
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Herts, UK
Programs: BAEC GGL, HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,179
It was a one class service.
It felt that the first few rows were only allocated with blocked seats so you had no-one seated next to you. However cabin crew also let people sit where ever they wanted.
I was in 1A, and after boarding finished a lady moved forward, sat next to me with BP in row 19.
It felt that the first few rows were only allocated with blocked seats so you had no-one seated next to you. However cabin crew also let people sit where ever they wanted.
I was in 1A, and after boarding finished a lady moved forward, sat next to me with BP in row 19.
Jan 18, 2017, 12:39 pm
#1731
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 1,630
You embark on an industrial dispute with the avowed intent of bringing the company to it's knees, and you're surprised when they withdraw some of your non contractual perks. You live in a different world.
Jan 18, 2017, 12:44 pm
#1732
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Anglia UK
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Posts: 1,627
I presume you earn a salary that is in a different world from Lite then.
Last edited by lloydah; Jan 18, 2017 at 12:50 pm Reason: grammar
Jan 18, 2017, 12:49 pm
#1733
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Many might regard that as abuse of power. That's hardly the basis for a productive working relationship. If my employer treated me like that I'd want to get out, but I'm lucky in that (a) they are genuinely trying to make conditions better for us and (b) I'm not in an industry where seniority is totally lost when moving to a competitor and you pretty much start at the bottom again. Cabin Crew do not have the same options many of us are lucky enough to enjoy.
Jan 18, 2017, 1:41 pm
#1737
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Striking is a right, guaranteed by law. It is already severely restricted, and 'punishing' the action of striking in and by itself in a way that sounds too much like blackmailing for comfort is indeed likely to surprise anyone who still had some level of respect for BA as a company, not least (hopefully) their employees.
Jan 18, 2017, 1:45 pm
#1738
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Jan 18, 2017, 2:16 pm
#1739
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Jan 18, 2017, 3:18 pm
#1740
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The vast majority of the British workforce are employed in non unionised industry, where employer and employee appear to be able to settle their difference without recourse to industrial action. Why is it that when a union becomes involved there is acrimony and dissent?
BA and London Underground are examples on businesses that would never be allowed to go bust. As a consequence the employees can cause as much havoc as they like, safe in the knowledge that there will always be a job to go back to. Contrast that with the likes of Ineos or Tata steel who work in the real world, and as a consequence the unions are unhappy but won't be calling for strike action, because if they did all the workers would lose their jobs.
So when people complain of blackmail, that's exactly how I see the union position. You can go on strike as often as you like with complete impunity. That's no way to run a business.
BA and London Underground are examples on businesses that would never be allowed to go bust. As a consequence the employees can cause as much havoc as they like, safe in the knowledge that there will always be a job to go back to. Contrast that with the likes of Ineos or Tata steel who work in the real world, and as a consequence the unions are unhappy but won't be calling for strike action, because if they did all the workers would lose their jobs.
So when people complain of blackmail, that's exactly how I see the union position. You can go on strike as often as you like with complete impunity. That's no way to run a business.