Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 15, 2017, 5:25 am
#1651
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 935
BA retains the lions share of the currency risk by virtue of the hotel cost. While the overall package for MF may be complex, the downstream allowance is quite simple to understand (£3/hr paid in sterling).
If you don't like the exchange rate in Brazil then don't ask to be rostered onto the GIG route.
If you don't like the exchange rate in Brazil then don't ask to be rostered onto the GIG route.
Jan 15, 2017, 6:06 am
#1653
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: somewhere north of stateside...
Posts: 4,155
Likely not always... but that's why the GBP3/hour is treated by the UK Government partially as income and partially for down-route expenses - only the income portion is taxed.
I would assume that were MF fleet only rostered on long-haul flights, the UK Government would tax a slightly lower percentage of the hourly rate - and the opposite would be true if only rostered on short-haul, with fewer overnight stops away from base.
I would assume that were MF fleet only rostered on long-haul flights, the UK Government would tax a slightly lower percentage of the hourly rate - and the opposite would be true if only rostered on short-haul, with fewer overnight stops away from base.
Jan 15, 2017, 6:12 am
#1654
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Munich, Algarve, Sussex or S.F Bay Area
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Posts: 4,164
Likely not always... but that's why the GBP3/hour is treated by the UK Government partially as income and partially for down-route expenses - only the income portion is taxed.
I would assume that were MF fleet only rostered on long-haul flights, the UK Government would tax a slightly lower percentage of the hourly rate - and the opposite would be true if only rostered on short-haul, with fewer overnight stops away from base.
I would assume that were MF fleet only rostered on long-haul flights, the UK Government would tax a slightly lower percentage of the hourly rate - and the opposite would be true if only rostered on short-haul, with fewer overnight stops away from base.
Jan 15, 2017, 8:12 am
#1656
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South Lakes U.K. & Thassos Greece
Programs: BA Gold Hilton Diamond IHG Spire ANEK Ferries Gold
Posts: 206
Jan 15, 2017, 8:43 am
#1657
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London Heathrow
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 719
Unlike longhaul, crew meal provision is a bit more hit and miss on shorthaul. Crew food is only loaded on turnaround flights that end up being more than an 8 hour duty period. They aren't loaded on multi sector shorthaul days more than 8 hours, as the company rosters us with 75 minutes chocks to chocks at base to achieve a "planned meal break" or at the least to go and grab some food.
Jan 15, 2017, 8:45 am
#1658
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London Heathrow
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 719
Of the £3 an hour, 40p in each £1 is taxed at a reduced rate. We have an annual audit with HMRC where we have to keep receipts of buying food and drinks downroute to keep this preferential tax rate. All of the £3 an hour is fully taxable when on grounded duties, recruitment or training, even though it is meant in lieu of meal allowances or expenses.
Jan 15, 2017, 8:50 am
#1659
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London Heathrow
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 719
Yes, you're right. There is preferential bidding but it is just that, a preference, not a write your own roster system. There are no guarantees that you will be granted all or any of your requests. The system, called Carmen, is obviously designed to make you as productive as possible. You can't use avoid bids to filter out what you don't want to work either.
Jan 15, 2017, 8:53 am
#1660
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: JER
Programs: BA Gold/OWE, several MUCCI, and assorted Pensions!
Posts: 32,146
@ Lite ... all that must keep dozens of HMRC staff in full/dull employment!
Still, when your pay & allowances starts off being so complicated, what could one expect! I'm doing my Tax Return at the moment ... probably takes 30 minutes overall, despite the complexities of 'Dual Taxation' in JER and UK.
Still, when your pay & allowances starts off being so complicated, what could one expect! I'm doing my Tax Return at the moment ... probably takes 30 minutes overall, despite the complexities of 'Dual Taxation' in JER and UK.
Jan 16, 2017, 2:50 am
#1661
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: LON
Programs: BA Gold; LH FTL; IHG Diamond; Marriott Gold; ALL Gold
Posts: 1,758
Will the strike arrangements due to be published today only be sent to people whose flights are affected? I have a couple of non-MF bookings, so hopefully shouldn't be a problem, unless they shuffle staff around. If I don't hear anything from BA today, can I assume I'm ok?
Jan 16, 2017, 3:10 am
#1662
Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club, easyJet and Ryanair
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: UK/Las Vegas
Programs: BA Gold (GGL/CCR)
Posts: 15,930
Will the strike arrangements due to be published today only be sent to people whose flights are affected? I have a couple of non-MF bookings, so hopefully shouldn't be a problem, unless they shuffle staff around. If I don't hear anything from BA today, can I assume I'm ok?
"Our contingency plans, which were successful during the previous two days of industrial action, will once again ensure that all of our customers will travel to their destinations.
We will publish our plans on Monday 16 January to customers who have bookings on the days of threatened industrial action.
Please do not call our contact centres, as at this stage they will not be able to provide any more details than are contained here.
British Airways remains focused on resolving this issue as quickly as possible.
Thank you for your support and understanding."
Jan 16, 2017, 8:00 am
#1664
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Kent, UK
Programs: I don't fly enough
Posts: 204
I've just tweeted them asking this. Will post if they reply anything useful (unlikely....)
Jan 16, 2017, 8:25 am
#1665
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Switzerland
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