Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jun 3, 2017, 2:33 am
#2402
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Strikers knew the potential consequences of their actions right from the start. No point in bleating about it now, it's a classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it.
In the pat BA have caved in and reinstated the perks, but it would be a massive deterrent to future action if they held out this time.
Jun 3, 2017, 2:44 am
#2403
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Exactly
Strikers knew the potential consequences of their actions right from the start. No point in bleating about it now, it's a classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it.
In the pat BA have caved in and reinstated the perks, but it would be a massive deterrent to future action if they held out this time.
Strikers knew the potential consequences of their actions right from the start. No point in bleating about it now, it's a classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it.
In the pat BA have caved in and reinstated the perks, but it would be a massive deterrent to future action if they held out this time.
Jun 3, 2017, 3:06 am
#2404
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In principle a very reasonable suggestion, but I don't know how you can stop BA 'rewarding' non strikers by giving them the same pay deal as the strikers.
Jun 3, 2017, 3:09 am
#2406
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After the last dispute BA returned staff travel to all the strikers, this was part of the deal that we accepted, if we hadn't been offered this we wouldn't have accepted the deal, MF strikers just want to be treated the same.
It is immoral to think that those who walked on by get the same benefits as those who fought for a better deal.
It is immoral to think that those who walked on by get the same benefits as those who fought for a better deal.
Jun 3, 2017, 3:14 am
#2407
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36 hours and no reroute or any other assistance for me last time. It was not a 'mf route' either.
I know it's a tiny proportion of flights that are likely to be affected but I don't believe any route can be guaranteed to operate during a strike and if they cancel then you are really stuffed as they will deny any assistance and blame the strikers. My strong advice: if you need to get to where you are going those days and don't want to risk being massively out of pocket, take a different carrier.
I know it's a tiny proportion of flights that are likely to be affected but I don't believe any route can be guaranteed to operate during a strike and if they cancel then you are really stuffed as they will deny any assistance and blame the strikers. My strong advice: if you need to get to where you are going those days and don't want to risk being massively out of pocket, take a different carrier.
My choice is quite out of pocket now (cancellation charges on the BA booking and cost of other travel) or maybe quite out of pocket later (if BA cancel and I have to get some other travel). Not a great choice, but I don't have to get back on time to perform life-saving brain surgery so I will probably take my chances nearer the time.
...and then re-evaluate whether to use BA much, until they sort themselves out.
Jun 3, 2017, 3:31 am
#2408
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I've been booked on a flight from SEA to LHR for several months now that leaves on June 19th. I'm unsure what to expect with this possible strike. Can anyone give me an idea of what has happened in the past and just how much disruption there was on the long haul flights? Trying not to panic, but I am a little worried.
Jun 3, 2017, 3:58 am
#2409
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Jun 3, 2017, 3:59 am
#2410
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Jun 3, 2017, 4:44 am
#2411
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advice?
I know that there is no definitive answer to this one but would value the thoughts of the community.
We are booked to fly on an avios redemption on 17 May - Glasgow - LHR - Palma,
We fundamentally have 2 options:
1. cross our fingers
2. Buy one way flights on JET2 from Glasgow direct to Palma for £350 and cancel the outbound legs to Palma. I have confirmed with the call centre that we can cancel the outbound legs and retain the returns with an avios refund and a partial refund of the fees. So the net cost would be about £400
Not keen on throwing away £400 and front row seats in CE but...
What would people do?
We are booked to fly on an avios redemption on 17 May - Glasgow - LHR - Palma,
We fundamentally have 2 options:
1. cross our fingers
2. Buy one way flights on JET2 from Glasgow direct to Palma for £350 and cancel the outbound legs to Palma. I have confirmed with the call centre that we can cancel the outbound legs and retain the returns with an avios refund and a partial refund of the fees. So the net cost would be about £400
Not keen on throwing away £400 and front row seats in CE but...
What would people do?
Jun 3, 2017, 4:46 am
#2412
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I know that there is no definitive answer to this one but would value the thoughts of the community.
We are booked to fly on an avios redemption on 17 May - Glasgow - LHR - Palma,
We fundamentally have 2 options:
1. cross our fingers
2. Buy one way flights on JET2 from Glasgow direct to Palma for £350 and cancel the outbound legs to Palma. I have confirmed with the call centre that we can cancel the outbound legs and retain the returns with an avios refund and a partial refund of the fees. So the net cost would be about £400
Not keen on throwing away £400 and front row seats in CE but...
What would people do?
We are booked to fly on an avios redemption on 17 May - Glasgow - LHR - Palma,
We fundamentally have 2 options:
1. cross our fingers
2. Buy one way flights on JET2 from Glasgow direct to Palma for £350 and cancel the outbound legs to Palma. I have confirmed with the call centre that we can cancel the outbound legs and retain the returns with an avios refund and a partial refund of the fees. So the net cost would be about £400
Not keen on throwing away £400 and front row seats in CE but...
What would people do?
Jun 3, 2017, 4:47 am
#2413
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Location: UK
Posts: 5,380
But then, so is this.
Jun 3, 2017, 4:56 am
#2415
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Posts: 719
Exactly
Strikers knew the potential consequences of their actions right from the start. No point in bleating about it now, it's a classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it.
In the pat BA have caved in and reinstated the perks, but it would be a massive deterrent to future action if they held out this time.
Strikers knew the potential consequences of their actions right from the start. No point in bleating about it now, it's a classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it.
In the pat BA have caved in and reinstated the perks, but it would be a massive deterrent to future action if they held out this time.
The pay deal for cabin crew was recommended by the Mixed Fleet Unite reps and by Unite themselves. It's a big step in the right direction in how MF cabin crew should be paid and would be more efficient and build for a more stable future as less is in variable earnings. Obviously some people still feel it isnt what they wanted and it isn't an amazing deal, but it is a good deal that our reps worked hard for. If it were down to the pay deal alone, then I would have voted yes.
Sanctions aren't just "travel perks" as BA puts it. In the settlement agreement that came with this pay deal they said that they wanted to end the legacy of this dispute. If you want to end the legacy of the dispute, then you end the sanctions also, you can't have your cake and eat it. BA wanted to retain a staff travel ban, remove any imagery, hashtags, symbols and badges associated with the union and the strike and also wanted to put a clause in that anybody managed out of the business for union or strike activity couldn't receive legal support from Unite.
I don't really use staff travel anyway, nor do I have union badges or labels, but certainly wouldn't vote to see any of my colleagues out on their ear with no recourse for help. It was a no from me and I hope that the company will be back around the table to do what they say that they want to. To end this acrimonious legacy and let us truly move on. Otherwise, the mandate runs through the entire summer holidays and I believe that we'll be in and out all summer which nobody wants. Not the airline, not the union and not the cabin crew.