Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jun 10, 2017, 2:35 am
#2491
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 935
The legal position is pretty clear, if crew want to strike to support their colleagues, then their union will have to ballot WW or EF crew to decide if they want to do that. IF they win a mandate to do that then they will have to announce dates giving the required notice. If they wild cat strike in support then they are liable to be sacked, wildcat action was outlawed in the 80s.
Jun 10, 2017, 2:40 am
#2492
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,065
Jun 10, 2017, 3:46 am
#2494
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London Heathrow
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 719
Hi Mark, yes it does. The union emailed us yesterday afternoon to say that they have accepted BA's invite to return to ACAS for more talks. The email also said that if the talks don't progress then our mandate is still live and further strike dates will be announced. Tentatively good news though that at least they're sat back around a table and I can do my trip at the weekend.
Jun 10, 2017, 3:59 am
#2495
Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club, easyJet and Ryanair
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: UK/Las Vegas
Programs: BA Gold (GGL/CCR)
Posts: 15,928
Jun 10, 2017, 9:21 am
#2496
Join Date: May 2016
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, Accor Gold
Posts: 1,430
Strike suspended for talks with ACAS, so a positive sign.
Interesting to see the union is taking legal action to have the benefits reinstated to the strikers.
Interesting to see the union is taking legal action to have the benefits reinstated to the strikers.
Last edited by bhbloke; Jun 10, 2017 at 9:23 am Reason: spelling
Jun 11, 2017, 7:25 am
#2498
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Around somewhere
Programs: Gold, Some red card and some hotel cards.
Posts: 709
Jun 11, 2017, 8:46 am
#2499
Community Director
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Norwich, UK
Programs: A3*G, BA Gold, BD Gold (in memoriam), IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 8,478
I'm sure it would also almost certainly lead to a legal challenge - something that's given as an expectation and then removed might well be regarded as an accepted part of employment conditions, removal of which could lead to constructive dismissal claims at the very least.
Just not going to happen.
Jun 11, 2017, 9:24 am
#2500
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Around somewhere
Programs: Gold, Some red card and some hotel cards.
Posts: 709
That's simply not true. There is absolutely no suggestion the perks will be withdrawn from everyone, and if BA were to do so it would absolutely cripple their operation because crew would face difficulty getting to work at any sort of sensible cost if their staff flights were removed - so they'd most likely strike themselves or just resign. Either way, if you think this has been expensive for BA so far, just see what would happen then with much more widespread action.
I'm sure it would also almost certainly lead to a legal challenge - something that's given as an expectation and then removed might well be regarded as an accepted part of employment conditions, removal of which could lead to constructive dismissal claims at the very least.
Just not going to happen.
I'm sure it would also almost certainly lead to a legal challenge - something that's given as an expectation and then removed might well be regarded as an accepted part of employment conditions, removal of which could lead to constructive dismissal claims at the very least.
Just not going to happen.
I agree that it could be expensive for BA in the short term if they went that way and there was more industrial action.
I'm not privy to the actual wording of the entitlement to the perks but if it isn't actually part of the contract of employment then I don't quite see how the Unions could say it is. I've known people in other industries who have had perks withdrawn that weren't part of their employment contract quite legally and no action was taken by any union.
Jun 11, 2017, 10:18 am
#2501
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2002
Programs: Mucci des Hommes Magiques et Magnifiques
Posts: 19,100
BA have set a precedent by returning staff travel to the Legacy fleets after our dispute 6 years ago, it would be totally unfair for MF crew who have far worse terms and conditions are not treated in the same way.
Also it is unthinkable that those who chose to work and now will get the improved offer benefit while strikers lose out, moving forward everyone needs to be treated the same.
Also it is unthinkable that those who chose to work and now will get the improved offer benefit while strikers lose out, moving forward everyone needs to be treated the same.
Last edited by Can I help you; Jun 11, 2017 at 12:55 pm
Jun 11, 2017, 10:45 am
#2502
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: YYZ
Programs: BA Gold/Marriott Gold/HH Diamond/IC Plat Amba
Posts: 5,992
BA have set a president by returning staff travel to the Legacy fleets after our dispute 6 years ago, it would be totally unfair for MF crew who have far worse terms and conditions are not treated in the same way.
Also it is unthinkable that those who chose to work and now will get the improved offer benefit while strikers lose out, moving forward everyone needs to be treated the same.
Also it is unthinkable that those who chose to work and now will get the improved offer benefit while strikers lose out, moving forward everyone needs to be treated the same.
Jun 11, 2017, 12:28 pm
#2504
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 1,630
I can understand there being some bad feeling that non strikers get the 'benefit' of any deal that UNITE negotiate, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.