Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 14, 2017, 9:14 am
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No, it affected some non-MF routes I believe but I think passengers were pro-actively informed when it affected their flight (and given 10,000 avios as compensation).
Jan 14, 2017, 9:15 am
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Accept the point on staff travel. If BA are including all these bonusses in their calculation of MF minimum salary, then they cannot be discretionary. It would therefore IMHO be unfair (illegal?) to remove them ad-hoc and only for striking staff. Apart from that, it's downright provocative.
Now just to add an element of reality here, neither bonus payments for profitability nor a minimum of 21k annual pay are the *rule* in the service sector.
Jan 14, 2017, 9:17 am
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To be honest ba F isnt all that much as it is, so to cut back even more would be dissappointing for sure...😄
Jan 14, 2017, 9:38 am
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Jan 14, 2017, 10:17 am
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Except when quoting "salary" figures eh?
Jan 14, 2017, 11:38 am
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This gets more complex by the day!
Jan 14, 2017, 11:41 am
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I suspect that if BA had suggested reducing the hourly rate by a corresponding 20% UNITE would have been calling for a strike ballot.
By the way, does anyone know who Callum is?
Jan 14, 2017, 12:22 pm
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I accept that the majority (probably all) of MF crew didn't join BA to become currency speculators, but I wonder what the reaction would have been if we rejected Brexit and the £ went up in value by 20%.
I suspect that if BA had suggested reducing the hourly rate by a corresponding 20% UNITE would have been calling for a strike ballot.
By the way, does anyone know who Callum is?
I suspect that if BA had suggested reducing the hourly rate by a corresponding 20% UNITE would have been calling for a strike ballot.
By the way, does anyone know who Callum is?
Jan 14, 2017, 12:27 pm
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Well, I don't know why a company would give a payoff for having met incentives to people who are actively harming the company via strike action. I assume strike action is the *last* thing a company would want to reward with bonuses.
Now just to add an element of reality here, neither bonus payments for profitability nor a minimum of 21k annual pay are the *rule* in the service sector.
Now just to add an element of reality here, neither bonus payments for profitability nor a minimum of 21k annual pay are the *rule* in the service sector.
Jan 14, 2017, 12:39 pm
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I accept that the majority (probably all) of MF crew didn't join BA to become currency speculators, but I wonder what the reaction would have been if we rejected Brexit and the £ went up in value by 20%.
I suspect that if BA had suggested reducing the hourly rate by a corresponding 20% UNITE would have been calling for a strike ballot.
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I suspect that if BA had suggested reducing the hourly rate by a corresponding 20% UNITE would have been calling for a strike ballot.
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Jan 14, 2017, 12:40 pm
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Jan 15, 2017, 3:27 am
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If you don't like the exchange rate in Brazil then don't ask to be rostered onto the GIG route.
Jan 15, 2017, 3:32 am
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I would consider the 'customer voice score' targets could represent a significant risk. Much has been said of how crew will now get additional commission from BoB sales, but to be honest, if we consider, for the sake of argument, that BoB might negatively impact customer satisfaction (it certainly does mine), I do wonder if crew might stand to lose almost as much from the impact on the Incentive payment as they might gain from the shared commission.
Jan 15, 2017, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic;27763520[b
]I would consider the 'customer voice score' targets could represent a significant risk[/b]. Much has been said of how crew will now get additional commission from BoB sales, but to be honest, if we consider, for the sake of argument, that BoB might negatively impact customer satisfaction (it certainly does mine), I do wonder if crew might stand to lose almost as much from the impact on the Incentive payment as they might gain from the shared commission.