Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 1, 2017, 6:30 am
#1036
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Good Luck to you all
Wish all the staff of BA well, you deserve much better and you have our support.
It may be to early to tell, but I am due to fly to Oslo on 13th Jan, which would be a flight which could be cxld.
If strike is 11th, would it be 48 hours again?
Trying to figure out if I should cover myself and book with SAS to be safe
All the best ^
It may be to early to tell, but I am due to fly to Oslo on 13th Jan, which would be a flight which could be cxld.
If strike is 11th, would it be 48 hours again?
Trying to figure out if I should cover myself and book with SAS to be safe
All the best ^
Jan 1, 2017, 5:21 pm
#1040
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Having flown yesterday and today it really endorses how great the crew are and can make your flight for you so it reinforces my support for the crew. Without them we wouldn't be getting from A - B. Hope the union use some of the crew from the LAS a/c fire to show what lifesavers really mean to BA.
Jan 1, 2017, 6:06 pm
#1041
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Having flown yesterday and today it really endorses how great the crew are and can make your flight for you so it reinforces my support for the crew. Without them we wouldn't be getting from A - B. Hope the union use some of the crew from the LAS a/c fire to show what lifesavers really mean to BA.
Jan 1, 2017, 10:42 pm
#1042
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interesting to see how stripped out the lounges are by the 12th then. I m sure plenty of anything removable will leave pretty quickly. Let's see how filthy the cabins are after a week of pret mayo and maccy d grease over the seats...
Jan 2, 2017, 1:25 am
#1044
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I flew an MF route yesterday and had a chat with the lovely crew. I was told that about 70% rejected the new deal, which by the way was referred to by the said crew as the old deal "re-packaged". New strike date expected to be 11 January as others have indicated.
I can't help but feel they found the best way (day?) to "stick it to the man".
I can't help but feel they found the best way (day?) to "stick it to the man".
Jan 2, 2017, 1:29 am
#1045
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Christmas would have been a better day to strike. The volunteers would have been less likely to give up their Christmas. It's now quite a quiet time until February half term kicks in. Maybe it will now need to be a prolonged series of strikes to get the deal they truly deserve.
Jan 2, 2017, 1:31 am
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Oh how my heart would bleed for poor Willie.
Jan 2, 2017, 1:35 am
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In many ways BOB day would be easier for BA to manage. They can just say 'due to industrial action the service is reduced to free drinks only' the volunteers can all serve drinks. It would just delay the start of meaningful stats on the success of BOB.
So long as the flights operate most pax wouldn't be too inconvenienced by it.
So long as the flights operate most pax wouldn't be too inconvenienced by it.
Jan 2, 2017, 1:38 am
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I'm not sure if a strike on the day of the start of BOB is a good idea as it risks the two issues being mixed together by the media. "Crew go on strike as they are asked to start charging passengers for food."
Jan 2, 2017, 1:38 am
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In many ways BOB day would be easier for BA to manage. They can just say 'due to industrial action the service is reduced to free drinks only' the volunteers can all serve drinks. It would just delay the start of meaningful stats on the success of BOB.
So long as the flights operate most pax wouldn't be too inconvenienced by it.
So long as the flights operate most pax wouldn't be too inconvenienced by it.
Go MF!
Jan 2, 2017, 2:17 am
#1050
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But that's not what you said in post 7. You said no pay rise at all in 6 years, when it appears that there was actually a pay rise every year for many (just not the right sort of pay rise) - you really couldn't make it up.
As for shareholders in IAG being publicly supportive of the action, I would be interested where and when this support manifested itself.
As for shareholders in IAG being publicly supportive of the action, I would be interested where and when this support manifested itself.
I think that BA (like any company) will prosper and do well if it provides a good service to customers who feel valued -from staff who are decently rewarded, motivated and similarly valued.
I complained to BA about the wording of of their press statement about the MF strike and their Press Office wrote to me back-tracking on the wording and I replied to that, making it very clear that I thought BA's behaviour unacceptable and that all their staff deserved to be decently paid and to feel valued. They did not reply.
I have simply stopped buying revenue tickets with BA. I used to love flying with them. A nice seat with lots of legroom in CE was a really nice way to spend your time. Its not fun anymore. There is a scrummy with hand-luggage, the seats are cramped and recline less, now no food and drink in ET, much less avios and charges for GCH to do lots of things like reserve a seat on HBO or to change Avios bookings.
BA are still one of an okay-ish bunch of airlines on the routes I travel and I am happy to spend my Avios to fly on an E90 or in an Exit row. Lately when I think of going somewhere. I think to myself "no BA aren't nice to me or to their staff, I don't want to give them my money". I travel when I need to rather than travelling for fun.
I also have stopped trusting BA as they just lie in their press statements and pretend every change is fabulous.
One day hopefully BA will go back to valuing their staff and customers again
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