Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jan 3, 2017, 1:22 pm
#1081
Join Date: Jul 2011
Programs: BAEC Gold, Marriott Plat
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Lite - again I must register my admiration for your measured and informative responses. I think (hope) most folks here would be behind you and your colleagues 100% on this issue. I certainly am
Best wishes
Best wishes
Jan 3, 2017, 1:24 pm
#1082
Join Date: May 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 5,380
MF have every right to take industrial action, and their pay does seem low, so good luck to them and I hope there is a successful outcome. However, there does seem to be a bit of a battle going on between BA and Unite over who is the victim in this dispute. Of course, the position of victim is a powerful one, and can recruit powerful support/public opinion, so no wonder I guess. In reality though it takes two to tango. Let's hope BA improve on their last offer and MF are happy to accept.
Jan 3, 2017, 1:25 pm
#1083
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London Heathrow
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 719
Many thanks for your very kind post. I do hope that the company will use the next week to ask the union to come back for talks or to invite them to ACAS. Besides not wanting to disrupt anybody's travel plans and not wanting to catch my death in the freezing cold on a picket line, mostly I would just like a fair pay deal for my colleagues. If only they could see the direct correlation between posts on here about a lack of experience in premium cabins on some Mixed Fleet flights and the high turnover.
Jan 3, 2017, 1:28 pm
#1084
Join Date: Jun 2007
Programs: BA silver
Posts: 447
(She wasn't a happy bunny!)If so are you saying that these flights will not be affected by the strikes?
As you have guessed I am flying that route shortly on BA.
Thanks
Jan 3, 2017, 1:31 pm
#1085
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
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Posts: 6,338
That is what I was told, yes. So I imagine the strikes wouldn't directly affect that route.
Jan 3, 2017, 2:36 pm
#1086
Join Date: Jul 2014
Programs: Mucci de l'Arbitrage
Posts: 927
Are here I was thinking that Mixed Fleet had been created to (i) save costs and (ii) insert a no-strike clause in their contract. Oh oh...
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
Jan 3, 2017, 2:43 pm
#1087
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: LHR/ATH
Programs: Amex Platinum, LH SEN (Gold), BA Bronze
Posts: 4,489
Are here I was thinking that Mixed Fleet had been created to (i) save costs and (ii) insert a no-strike clause in their contract. Oh oh...
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
Instead of passengers complaining, maybe they should understand what the MF are going through and vote with their feet as well, as in flying another airline if they are not happy with strikes! BA is not a monopoly you know!
Jan 3, 2017, 3:05 pm
#1090
Join Date: Feb 2014
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 67
Are here I was thinking that Mixed Fleet had been created to (i) save costs and (ii) insert a no-strike clause in their contract. Oh oh...
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
Jan 3, 2017, 3:21 pm
#1093
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If, as suggested by Lite, BA took the previous offer off the table whilst attempting to restrict the union members' room for manoeuvre then I don't really see that there was any choice but to reinstate the strike threat.
Jan 3, 2017, 3:23 pm
#1094
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Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
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Jan 3, 2017, 3:26 pm
#1095
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 17,457
Are here I was thinking that Mixed Fleet had been created to (i) save costs and (ii) insert a no-strike clause in their contract. Oh oh...
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
It is interesting to read from crew members who quote other airlines' compensation levels but are unwilling to go and work for these airlines. I wonder why... Pride of working for BA? Fear of change? Preference for the average polite BA customer over Airline X's drunkard?
There is a point where these differences are not enough to justify a lower pay and at that point, crews should vote with their feet, not through strikes.
Or are you saying they can always find other suckers to work for peanuts? Who then find other jobs when they want a raise? Rinse and repeat?
And this is an airline you would patronize?