Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Dec 26, 2016, 11:18 am
#1021
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I think you are correct in the general public having problems understanding the full picture.
Post 7 says that CSM's have had no pay rise since 2010, yet post 1016 says they have had a pay rise every year. Also, is it really the case that somebody who joined MF 3 or 4 years ago on £12k is still on £12k. I find that difficult to believe.
I don't think public sympathy was ever with the crews (certainly not with Unite)
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Post 7 says that CSM's have had no pay rise since 2010, yet post 1016 says they have had a pay rise every year. Also, is it really the case that somebody who joined MF 3 or 4 years ago on £12k is still on £12k. I find that difficult to believe.
I don't think public sympathy was ever with the crews (certainly not with Unite)
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It is very possible that someone who has been with the fleet since the beginning hasn't increased beyond their starting salary as not everybody can or will progress to CSM. There always needs to be cabin crew, not everyone will become a senior.
Although the comments section of the Mail or Sky News is more broadly indicative of the general public, it isn't of our commercially important frequent fliers or of our shareholders who have broadly been publicly supportive.
Dec 29, 2016, 7:42 am
#1022
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As for shareholders in IAG being publicly supportive of the action, I would be interested where and when this support manifested itself.
Dec 29, 2016, 7:58 am
#1023
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But that's not what you said in post 7. You said no pay rise at all in 6 years, when it appears that there was actually a pay rise every year for many (just not the right sort of pay rise) - you really couldn't make it up.
As for shareholders in IAG being publicly supportive of the action, I would be interested where and when this support manifested itself.
As for shareholders in IAG being publicly supportive of the action, I would be interested where and when this support manifested itself.
The support both online as well as onboard has been overwhelming. People can see the poor pay and terms and conditions and realise that the increases the union are asking for for Mixed Fleet are not outrageous but are bringing BA up to market rate (considering BA sold MF as being market rate plus 10%). BA and specifically the CEO have not come out of this looking particularly good, instead looking like a flying workhouse. Again, this isn't about asking for an unsustainable salary but instead to meet the market rate and in line with the cost of living.
Jan 1, 2017, 2:48 am
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Jan 1, 2017, 3:04 am
#1027
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Jan 1, 2017, 5:44 am
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That would be hilarious!
11 January strike and a statement from MF
"We at MF are not only paid awfully, but now BA is trying to starve our passengers and are forcing us to be salesmen as well! If I wanted that I would have worked at U2 or FR, at least they pay me more than BA!" = )))
11 January strike and a statement from MF
"We at MF are not only paid awfully, but now BA is trying to starve our passengers and are forcing us to be salesmen as well! If I wanted that I would have worked at U2 or FR, at least they pay me more than BA!" = )))