ianwall

Perfectly timed for the introduction of BOB on the 11th.

ahmetdouas

Yeap! Here we go.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-offer.html

headingwest

The wording on that statement is a bit softer this time.

Good luck to the crew!

Tafflyer

Possibly inconvenienced by this
The latest release by BA does again sound a little provocative since it does appear to be BA that refuses to negotiate further.
Surely an adequately compensated staff is a requirement for "To fly to serve".

headingwest

Here's the union's take:

http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/

PETER01

I've asked the Moderators to amend the title to save anyone else ending them a message.

Lite

I hope it gets sorted for you too, and you get to enjoy your trip with as little disruption as possible. We only just received the email ourselves internally (one from the union and one from BA), and it seems like BA withdrew the amended offer from the ACAS talks and has gone back to offering us a 6p an hour pay increase and is final. They've also said to the union that they wouldn't agree to them suspending talks but keeping the ballot live whilst they discuss the alternative offers. I hope it gets sorted for customers and crew alike but Alex Cruz has said in his email just now that he is prepared to take the union on. What a shame that BA would rather crush their customer facing crew over 6p an hour.

Dicksbits

I am flying out of Heathrow on the 11th, but luckily Iberia. However I don't think MAD is a MF route anyway, so I think if I had been flying on BA metal I would have been ok.

headingwest

It's Eurofleet.

I only know that because I happened to mention the strike to the crew member facing me in the jump seat and it opened the floodgate! (She wasn't a happy bunny!)

T8191

This corner of "Planet BA Customers" is saddened by BA's apparent intransigence.

So sorry for all MF CC and pax caught up in this.

Agent69

There are enough red herrings here to keep John West going for the rest of 2017.

You have previously said that the elapsed hourly rate was increased between 2010 and 2014 (by 25%, which doesn't sound too bad over 4 years). Also you said there had been performance related pay increases. Are these not pay rises? Why is it so difficult to answer a simple question?

Regarding today's decision to call further strikes, can somebody clarify:

• what is the point of BA negotiating with unite if MF reject the deal. Surely you need to be talking to somebody who is in a position to agree a deal? (Need to be talking to the organ grinder not the monkey)
• Does anyone know what MF are asking for by way of a pay rise?

atcer28

The offical BA announcement is out https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...ruption_banner

Looks like we will have to wait until friday to find out the plan.

Calchas

It is the Unite members of MF who rejected the deal, not MF as a whole. If their representation at the negotiating table is inadequately reflecting their position that is really up to the membership to resolve, it isn't something BA can fix.

NWIFlyer

Negotiation is this way because it's a collective agreement with the MF crew who are union members, hence why the union is acting as chief negotiator. The union is then duty bound to put that offer to its members to accept or reject. As Calchas has said, if the members are not happy with the way the union is representing them, it is down to them to effectively re-instruct them through the various levels that will eventually lead to the General Secretary.

This is not exactly unusual in an organisation with the history, structure and size of BA.

Lite

The starting salary for CSM's had not increased over the six years of the fleet and there had been no collective bargaining over any cost of living increases, just performance related uplifts. The union has always asked for CSM's to be given the right to bargain and to receive cost of living pay increases in line with other managers in the business.

The pay deal for cabin crew as you've said has seen an hourly rate increase from 2010 to 2014 of 60p an hour from £2.40 to £3 an hour from check in to landing back in the UK. That has to pay for all sustenance as nothing is provided downroute. Essentially BA are asking Cabin Crew to live in west London on £12,900 basic salary if they have to use any of their elapsed hourly rate downroute. This proposed pay increase was rejected by 93% six months ago. The amended deal announced at ACAS is off of the table now after a rejection of 70%, both CSM's and cabin crew.

I am not in the habit of being a serial striker and I've never been accused of being a loony leftie. I don't want to disrupt anybody's travel plans nor do I particularly want to see the company brought into disrepute. Sadly, this is effectively a 6p an hour pay increase with no bargaining rights for CSM's. I am due to be at work both days and will be taking part in this industrial action.

It could easily be rectified if the company simply put a meaningful pay increase on the basic salaries of crew of all grades in line with RPI, seriously looked at our elapsed hourly rate (currently about 80p behind airlines like Thomson and Thomas Cook who also do Mixed flying) and seriously considered back pay as in other pay deals and this would all go away. Instead the company wants to fight a largely young workforce over 6p an hour.