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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Jul 20, 2014, 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by woody125
Well...I just got a schedule change notice for my end of Oct to early November SFO to SIN run.

SFO to JFK to NRT to SIN just became SFO to LAX to NRT to SIN. That's a huge loss of MQM though this is not a MR for me. I still get my needed day in SIN but I'd hoped to bag as many MQMs as possible since I have to make the trip anyway.

Anyone else get this schedule change?
You should still get the miles from your original routing and you should ask for it and there shouldn't be any problem, if there is talk to a supervisor or just call back and talk to someone else. You should have a copy of your original reservation, they probably have it on the computer. This was an involuntary change so you should get your the MQM from your original itinerary. This can be done once you have made the trip and you should be able to pick another route at no additional charge if it gives you more MQM. Let us know what happens.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 20, 2014, 11:50 pm
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Fares July 20

SMF Dep
$1287.00 ai 25,584 MQM 5.03 cpm SMF SLC JFK MSP NRT SIN NRT DTW JFK SLC SMF Nov 23-27 This will be a long 5 days with quite a bit of time at JFK at beginning and end!

Happy Travels! Cheers! Have a great week!

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Old Jul 21, 2014, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
You should still get the miles from your original routing and you should ask for it and there shouldn't be any problem, if there is talk to a supervisor or just call back and talk to someone else. You should have a copy of your original reservation, they probably have it on the computer. This was an involuntary change so you should get your the MQM from your original itinerary. This can be done once you have made the trip and you should be able to pick another route at no additional charge if it gives you more MQM. Let us know what happens.

Happy Travels! Cheers!
Looks like that just after midnight flight from SFO to MSP got yanked and the system automatically shorted my trip back to the east coast by routing me to LAX and then to NRT instead. "Thanks"...I guess. I called and asked to be put on the red eye the night before and get to JFK to keep the original JFK to NRT flight. The nice lady agreed. All is well....
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Old Jul 22, 2014, 11:33 pm
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Fares July 22 for SMF and SFO Dep

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM unless other number given
$1330.90 ai 25,479 MQM 5.22 cpm Oct 27-30 SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT DTW JFK SFO
$1204.30 ai 4.76 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20 Best price
$1297.70 ai 5.13 cpm Nov 24-27

SMF Dep 24,542 MQM unless other number given
$1259.70 ai 5.13 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 17-20, 23-26
$1349.70 ai 5.50 cpm Nov 10-13

Other dates higher

Happy Travels! Have a great Day! Cheers!
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Old Jul 23, 2014, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by woody125
Looks like that just after midnight flight from SFO to MSP got yanked and the system automatically shorted my trip back to the east coast by routing me to LAX and then to NRT instead. "Thanks"...I guess. I called and asked to be put on the red eye the night before and get to JFK to keep the original JFK to NRT flight. The nice lady agreed. All is well....
What day of the week was it yanked? I still have it on 11/29 (Saturday) heading home from a SIN run. Mind you...I plan to SDC that sucker to something later in the day. Like say, a red eye 20 hours later. I'm booked in first (low miles!) so the world is my oyster!
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 3:38 am
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Smile Great MR!

Originally Posted by woody125
Looks like that just after midnight flight from SFO to MSP got yanked and the system automatically shorted my trip back to the east coast by routing me to LAX and then to NRT instead. "Thanks"...I guess. I called and asked to be put on the red eye the night before and get to JFK to keep the original JFK to NRT flight. The nice lady agreed. All is well....
Glad you were able to get MR worked out!
Happy Travels! Enjoy your trip! Cheers!
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 3:50 am
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Smile Fares Jul 24 LAX SFO SMF Dep

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM
$1184.70 ai 4.72 cpm Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1204.70 ai 4.76 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1195.10 ai 4.72 cpm Nov 24-27

Costs essentially the same for LAX SFO Dep; SMF Dep higher

SMF Dep 24,542 MQM
$1260.10 ai 5.13 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 23-26

Happy Travels! Have a Great Day! Cheers!

Last edited by Csfing1; Jul 24, 2014 at 4:20 am Reason: Add SMF fares
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
What day of the week was it yanked? I still have it on 11/29 (Saturday) heading home from a SIN run. Mind you...I plan to SDC that sucker to something later in the day. Like say, a red eye 20 hours later. I'm booked in first (low miles!) so the world is my oyster!
If there are any schedule changes they will notify you, if they haven't made any changes they won't say anything so I would assume your original reservation is OK. Once they notify you of a change that would be an opportunity to request any changes you might want thru the DM desk as long as your final destination is the same, adding stops to increase miles via ATL, MSP, DTW SLC or whatever would increase the number of miles flown to increase your MQM. If one of the agents won't accommodate your request call back and speak to another until they work out the details you want. Be polite and courteous and most of the time they will accommodate your request. Still haven't booked my Nov run yet, am hoping prices will improve. Just have to wait and see.

Happy Travels! Have a Super Day! Cheers!
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
If there are any schedule changes they will notify you, if they haven't made any changes they won't say anything so I would assume your original reservation is OK. Once they notify you of a change that would be an opportunity to request any changes you might want thru the DM desk as long as your final destination is the same, adding stops to increase miles via ATL, MSP, DTW SLC or whatever would increase the number of miles flown to increase your MQM. If one of the agents won't accommodate your request call back and speak to another until they work out the details you want. Be polite and courteous and most of the time they will accommodate your request. Still haven't booked my Nov run yet, am hoping prices will improve. Just have to wait and see.
I know how the changes work I am just curious to know when they cut the MSP red-eye. I haven't looked at the latest schedule changes online.

I check my itins every Saturday afternoon after the changes are loaded and take care of any issues then. Already bumped my ~25,300MQM to ~25,500MQM due to schedule change. And went back to the 747 ex-ATL (now that JFK-NRT is going 777 in the fall).
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
LAX Dep 25,096 MQM
$1184.70 ai 4.72 cpm Oct 20-23, 26-29, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM
$1204.70 ai 4.76 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20
$1195.10 ai 4.72 cpm Nov 24-27

Costs essentially the same for LAX SFO Dep; SMF Dep higher

SMF Dep 24,542 MQM
$1260.10 ai 5.13 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 23-26

Happy Travels! Have a Great Day! Cheers!
Do you think this price for LAX dep is probably the lowest it will go? Do you route through MSP for each way?
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by WindingRoad
Do you think this price for LAX dep is probably the lowest it will go? Do you route through MSP for each way?
Good question. I don't know the answer. It is possible they might but they may not. It is always a guessing game. Last year they had a lower price by this time but only for a few days and the price was under $800 and less than 4 cpm. If you are comfortable with the price go for it. This is about the best they have been for the last month or so. Going thru MSP or DTW will give you a few more miles but sometimes the price is higher and sometimes it is not. Try different dates near the time and you might get a lower price. One day can make a big difference. The routing for the fare posted from LAX is LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX, going thru MSP or DTW may give you a few more miles as long as the price doesn't go up. Try and see what you get. If you have enough FlexPerk points than you can get a ticket for no $ and 0 cpm. Have usually done that the past two years for at least one of my runs. If you have any other questions, or find lower prices please let me know. Have a wonderful day and Super weekend!

Happy Travels! Cheers!
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 2:52 am
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Smile Fares July 28, essentially the same as July 24

LAX Dep 25,096 MQM LAX JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK LAX
1183.70 ai 4.72 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20, 24-27

SFO Dep 25,318 MQM SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
$1204.70 ai 4.76 cpm Nov 3-6, 10-13, 17-20,
$1195.10 ai 4.72 cpm Nov 24-27

LAX and SFO Dep have lowest fares at 4.72 cpm

SMF Dep SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF
$1260.10 ai 5.13 cpm Oct 27-30, Nov 3-6, 17-20,
$1273.88 ai 5.19 cpm Nov 23-26
$1294.37 ai 5.27 cpm Nov 9-12

Happy Travels! If anyone gets lower fares and different dates, please post. Cheers!
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 4:24 pm
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Hi..first post! I booked this ex-LAX Nov.9-12 for 1174.10. 6hrs at SIN and quick turnaround. Only a minor price difference from above, but brings it to 4.68cpm. ITA shows for $1169, but could not replicate.
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Old Jul 28, 2014, 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by IncaTrails
Hi..first post! I booked this ex-LAX Nov.9-12 for 1174.10. 6hrs at SIN and quick turnaround. Only a minor price difference from above, but brings it to 4.68cpm. ITA shows for $1169, but could not replicate.
Is ITA up-to-date on the increased TSA fees?
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Old Jul 29, 2014, 5:34 am
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TSA fees

Originally Posted by iamhereandthere
Is ITA up-to-date on the increased TSA fees?
Good catch--ITA is not updated. DL receipt has AY doubled.
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