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mdosu Jun 15, 2016 5:13 pm

I am confused regarding my NEXUS application process.

I signed up for GE through GOES for the first time. On the bottom of the application, it asked if I wanted to register a car for NEXUS. I proceeded and entered my car information.

My appointment confirmation for GE even stated that I needed to bring in my car registration and insurance information. But during the GE interview, the CBP person said my interview was only for GE.

He then said to complete my registration, (he assumed I completed a NEXUS application as well, which I'm unsure of at this point) I need to be cross the boarder with the car to "register". It wasn't clear to me whether my NEXUS application was actually made in my case.

So if I show up at the boarder with my car and GE card, what do I do to finish my enrollment into NEXUS? How long do I have to do this? I have no existing plans on crossing to Canada with my car, will my "pending" status stay for the next 5 years?

Kiraly Jun 16, 2016 8:30 am


Originally Posted by mdosu (Post 26784617)
I am confused regarding my NEXUS application process.

I signed up for GE through GOES for the first time. On the bottom of the application, it asked if I wanted to register a car for NEXUS. I proceeded and entered my car information.

Something is very screwy. Vehicle registration is only required for SENTRI. I didn't even think it was possible to register a vehicle for NEXUS. Exactly how did you enter vehicle information for NEXUS?

And if you were never interviewed by Canadian border officials, you aren't enrolled in NEXUS. Logging in to your GOES account should confirm this.

AlexM1 Jun 16, 2016 12:15 pm

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televisor Jun 16, 2016 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by AlexM1 (Post 26788238)
If a dual citizen of the U.S. and an EU country who has two passports does not list the EU citizenship/passport in GOES, is that grounds for revocation of NEXUS membership?

I haven't paid attention to the wording, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Nexus and GE applications include a declaration that you completed the questionnaire accurately. IIRC there was a field to enter multiple citizenships (independent of additional passports), if you didn't enter other citizenships there then that might be grounds to revoke membership, because of incorrectly claiming you completed the application truthfully.

Of course whether or not CBP would care is a separate issue. Using your non-US passport in a GE machine wouldn't be of huge use, so no good reason to have your passport registered with GE, but they should at least know your citizenships.

AlexM1 Jun 16, 2016 4:35 pm

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mdosu Jun 16, 2016 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by Kiraly (Post 26787136)
Something is very screwy. Vehicle registration is only required for SENTRI. I didn't even think it was possible to register a vehicle for NEXUS. Exactly how did you enter vehicle information for NEXUS?

And if you were never interviewed by Canadian border officials, you aren't enrolled in NEXUS. Logging in to your GOES account should confirm this.

I looked at my GE application. There was a conveyance section. So maybe I didn't actually apply for NEXUS?

What's the purpose of a conveyance on the GE app?

Kiraly Jun 16, 2016 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by AlexM1 (Post 26789471)
A couple years after that, I was traveling by Amtrak into Canada. While I was a NEXUS member at that point, there was no NEXUS line at the station, so I showed the CBSA officer my U.S. Passport Card.

A NEXUS card is valid at any border crossing between the USA and Canada. There doesn't have to be a special lane for you to use your NEXUS card. It completely replaces your passport card.

xero9 Jun 17, 2016 6:57 am

I can't find any information on this, but has anyone used their NEXUS card to pay for tolls at any Niagara-ish areas (I say this because the Peace Bridge isn't technically a NFBS bridge), besides Whirlpool?

According to NFBS' website you can use it or E-ZPass, and the website for Peace Bridge seems to indicate you can, but under the E-ZPass toll amount it says "USD", but when I set up my toll account I configured it as CAD.

Wondering if it will work, and can I use the lane that doesn't even have a gate? Simply drive through at the posted speed and it somehow will read my NEXUS card from within the car?

seawolf Jun 17, 2016 7:41 am

I believe you have to setup a toll account on your NEXUS card to pay for bridge tolls.

emcampbe Jun 17, 2016 8:48 am


Originally Posted by AlexM1 (Post 26788238)
If a dual citizen of the U.S. and an EU country who has two passports does not list the EU citizenship/passport in GOES, is that grounds for revocation of NEXUS membership?

Don't know for sure, but I'd say it is likely. This is, after all a trusted traveler program, and it does ask for citizenship information. You leaving it out is probably grounds for you not being trusted.

While I'm sure in most cases, EU citizenship isn't going to factor in, I can definitely see the case where certain other country citizenships, and CBSA/CBP would want to look into that. Just sayin....


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 26789120)
I haven't paid attention to the wording, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Nexus and GE applications include a declaration that you completed the questionnaire accurately. IIRC there was a field to enter multiple citizenships (independent of additional passports), if you didn't enter other citizenships there then that might be grounds to revoke membership, because of incorrectly claiming you completed the application truthfully.

My wife will be renewing in the next few months, so can report. However, the paper form, on the citizenship question, asks what country you are a citizen of, and has boxes, noting to check all that apply (and then Canada, US, other). I suspect if dual and not declaring both, it is technically wrong to sign that application, and subject to revocation. Whether they could find out or not...either with or without digging much, as part of the background check or other processes, and whether they would look, is another question, of course.


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 26789120)
Of course whether or not CBP would care is a separate issue. Using your non-US passport in a GE machine wouldn't be of huge use, so no good reason to have your passport registered with GE, but they should at least know your citizenships.

When I got GE set up initially, I was specifically told I could only use my US passport in the machine (I'm a dual Canada/US citizen), and it also came up that they can only program the system to accept 1 passport in the kiosks. Take that for what it's worth - perhaps things have changed, or perhaps I was given incorrect information. For US citizens, one is required to enter using their US citizenship anyway, so it is pretty moot. A Nexus member who is, say dual citizen of Canada/EU would be the scenario where that is of more relevance I guess, but presumably even if dual, GE would be set up with the Canadian passport.

Jono Jun 17, 2016 8:52 am


Originally Posted by xero9 (Post 26791536)
I can't find any information on this, but has anyone used their NEXUS card to pay for tolls at any Niagara-ish areas (I say this because the Peace Bridge isn't technically a NFBS bridge), besides Whirlpool?

According to NFBS' website you can use it or E-ZPass, and the website for Peace Bridge seems to indicate you can, but under the E-ZPass toll amount it says "USD", but when I set up my toll account I configured it as CAD.

Wondering if it will work, and can I use the lane that doesn't even have a gate? Simply drive through at the posted speed and it somehow will read my NEXUS card from within the car?

According to this website http://www.niagarafallsbridges.com/i...s-toll-program, if you have a toll account on your nexus card, you can still use it at Rainbow, Queenston/Lewiston and Whirlpool. If you also have ez-pass, they will deduct toll first from that account, except at Whirlpool where they will deduct first from Nexus. The whole system seems overly complicated to me, so when they started accepting EZ-Pass at all the bridges, I just cancelled my Nexus Toll account and got a refund. As a Canadian, getting an EZ-Pass account from New York State was relatively painless and without any cost except for prepaying $10 for an initial toll balance. The EZ-Pass has been a real benefit when driving in NY, PA, OH, IN and IL. The biggest time saver was in IL around Chicago where they seem to install toll booths every 5 miles as a make work project for toll collectors.

televisor Jun 17, 2016 9:29 am


Originally Posted by emcampbe (Post 26792033)
When I got GE set up initially, I was specifically told I could only use my US passport in the machine (I'm a dual Canada/US citizen), and it also came up that they can only program the system to accept 1 passport in the kiosks. Take that for what it's worth - perhaps things have changed, or perhaps I was given incorrect information. For US citizens, one is required to enter using their US citizenship anyway, so it is pretty moot. A Nexus member who is, say dual citizen of Canada/EU would be the scenario where that is of more relevance I guess, but presumably even if dual, GE would be set up with the Canadian passport.

I have heard (on FT) that it is possible to have up to 2 passports in the system. I was also explicitly told (by CBP) that I could bring my probable second passport for adding to the system once my naturalisation (in another, not yet but possibly soon GE eligible country) is complete, although they didn't explicitly state that I'd then be able to use that in GE machines. I will ask them if/when the time comes to add my second passport.

But I agree the point is moot for US citizens, and probably Canadians too (to avoid the whole ESTA stuff) - this really is an edge case.

ffsim Jun 18, 2016 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 26792221)
I have heard (on FT) that it is possible to have up to 2 passports in the system. I was also explicitly told (by CBP) that I could bring my probable second passport for adding to the system once my naturalisation (in another, not yet but possibly soon GE eligible country) is complete, although they didn't explicitly state that I'd then be able to use that in GE machines. I will ask them if/when the time comes to add my second passport.

Meanwhile, I was explicitly told by the CBP that they "don't care" about my other passport. The CBSA agents at the YUL Nexus office entered my EU passport data into their file but explained to me that they believe the CBP systems only allow entry of 1 passport number. Regardless, they passed it along to their CBP counterparts just to be sure, and the CBP agent quickly confirmed as much while handing back my EU passport.

Go figure.

televisor Jun 18, 2016 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by ffsim (Post 26797394)
Meanwhile, I was explicitly told by the CBP that they "don't care" about my other passport. The CBSA agents at the YUL Nexus office entered my EU passport data into their file but explained to me that they believe the CBP systems only allow entry of 1 passport number. Regardless, they passed it along to their CBP counterparts just to be sure, and the CBP agent quickly confirmed as much while handing back my EU passport.

Go figure.

Plenty of evidence over here that they do take multiple passports, at least if you're not american (or possibly Canadian) and trying to add a second-citizenship passport:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...passports.html

Edit: I looked at my conditional approval, and noticed the following:
- A valid passport. If you travel using more than one passport, please bring them to the interview so that the information can be added to your file. This provides you with the ability to use either passport at the Global Entry kiosk;

This of course is independent of declaring citizenships in the application (no need to have a passport to have a citizenship after all) - I imagine declaring all of those is just a given.

atsak Jun 18, 2016 11:10 pm

Dual Citizen
 
And to add to the anecdotal reports, I did NOT declare my Australian citizenship on my Nexus application 6 or 7 years ago. I was explicitly asked by the CBP interviewing officer if I had more than one citizenship (I suspect they knew already; I had entered the US as an Australian one time when my Canadian documentation was not correct as a teenager and I was born there, so its easily deduced). I told him I was Australian, and he said they (the CBP) needed it and I had to take it to an office as soon as possible to have it added and asked why I didn't include it. I explained that I would not enter the US as an Australian nor Canada, so could not figure out why it was relevant, but he pointed out the application (at the time) didn't say "what citizenships do you hold that you would enter the US on, it said to list all your citizenships".

I consider this as well from their side - if part of the qualifications of the program exclude you if you have certain travel patterns, then you could easily obscure having been somewhere by simply not presenting that passport and entering and using it when going places that preclude you from Nexus / Global Entry. So in this way by having both your passport details they may be able to glean more information about your travel patterns depending on what black magic is done behind the scenes on information sharing on international travel. Perhaps I'm overly cynical though.

The CBSA officer, when I went in to update my Australian prior to being able to do it online, said the opposite to what other posters say - he said they do not care about the dual citizen thing, in fact legally (his word) they're not even supposed to ask about it.

So, more fuel to the fire.


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