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Quote:

Originally Posted by stephem (Post 10551858)

and ultimately wound up finding an AF Z fare that has a 5 day advance purchase for around $2500. Neither of the KVS fare tools seem to pull that up.

Could you pls provide the particulars of that AZ fare?

It's an Air France fare
AF LAXLON ZEEND

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10554600)

Could you pls provide the particulars of that AZ fare?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephem (Post 10555830)

It's an Air France fare
AF LAXLON ZEEND

This is actually very odd. The latest changes should not have made any difference in your scenario, and this fare should have came-up via Fares/DotRes... But I have just verified and there definitely appears to be a system issue with DotRes, but it is unrelated to the change... Nice fare, BTW!

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - ZUJ: LAX-LON/AF/ZEEND/*]

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BUSINESS CLASS RESTRICTED



[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]

AIR FRANCE - BUSINESS CLASS RESTRICTED FARE FROM THE UNITED STATES TO

AREA 02 / 03 APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM UNITED STATES TO

AREA 2/AREA 3. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS

SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE

USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS

THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON

ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT

NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH

THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED

BY THE CARRIER S BEST JUDGEMENT. OTHER CONDITIONS THE FARE THAT APPLIES

ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND

THE SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION

MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL

USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID

IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF

ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET /

OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / .



[ELIGIBILITY]

NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.



[DAY/TIME]

NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.



[SEASONALITY]

NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.



[FLIGHT APPLICATION]

OUTBOUND - THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING

AF FLIGHT 061. AND - INBOUND - THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE

OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AF FLIGHT OPERATED BY AF.



[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]

NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE

MADE AT LEAST 11 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT

LEAST 8 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE --- OR WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT

LEAST 5 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAY

AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 4 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER

IS EARLIER --- OR TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER

RESERVATIONS ARE MADE --------------------------------------------------

NOTE - DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE

AND TTL ROBOT REMARK. --- THE MOST RESTRICTIVE DATE PREVAILS ---

--------------------------------------------------



[MINIMUM STAY]

TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER

DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.



[MAXIMUM STAY]

TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 1 MONTH AFTER DEPARTURE

FROM FARE ORIGIN.



[STOPOVERS]

NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.



[TRANSFERS]

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ON AF ONLY IN EACH DIRECTION.

FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE

SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. OR - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED

IN EACH DIRECTION. 1 PERMITTED IN UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION 1 PERMITTED

VIA AF ONLY IN FRANCE IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK SURFACE

SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE

COMPONENT.



[COMBINATIONS]

DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END

COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES BUT ARE NOT PERMITTED WITH

INTERNATIONAL FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE

SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.

OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A

HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/

CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER

AF BETWEEN LAX AND LON IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA

2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.



[BLACKOUT DATES]

NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.



[SURCHARGES]

ORIGINATING UNITED STATES - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 183.00

PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.



[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]

ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.



[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]

VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/BEFORE 06NOV08.



[SALES RESTRICTIONS]

TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 02NOV08.



[PENALTIES]

FARE RULE CHANGES  BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS

APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. -1- BEFORE

DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND BEFORE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT --------------------------------------------------

THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT

MUST BE RECALCULATED USING CURRENT AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT

AT THE DATE OF REISSUE UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS - CHANGE OR REROUTING

WITH SAME FARE BASIS -- SEASONS/MIDWEEK/WEEKEND MAY BE DIFFERENT

THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS

- CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY SPECIAL FARE THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT

MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS - CHANGE OR REROUTING OR

UPG TO ANY NORMAL FARE THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL

OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS ------------------------------------------------

 BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO-SHOW. NOTE

- TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. -2- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY

BUT AFTER ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT /NO-SHOW/ --------------------------------------------------

CHANGES OR REROUTING ARE NOT PERMITTED

REFER TO REFUND CONDITIONS. --------------------------------------------------

 AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS

APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. -3- AFTER

DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY --------------------------------------------------

THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED BY USING HISTORICAL

AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT AT THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE UNDER

FOLLOWING CONDITIONS - CHANGE OR REROUTING WITH SAME FARE BASIS -- SEASONS/MIDWEEK/WEEKEND

MAY BE DIFFERENT THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE

LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS - CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG

TO ANY SPECIAL FARER THE NEW BASE  FARE AMOUNT MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER

THAN PREVIOUS - CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY NORMAL FARE THE NEW

BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS  CANCELLATIONS

 ANY TIME CHARGE USD 200.00 FOR CANCEL. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS

APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ----------------

  REFUND   ---------------------- -1- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY

AND BEFORE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT TICKET IS REFUNDABLE --------------------------------------------------

-2- BEFORE DEPARTURE

OF JOURNEY BUT AFTER ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT /NO-SHOW/ TICKET IS

REFUNDABLE ------------------------------------------------- -3- AFTER

DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY REFUND THE DIFFERENCE IF ANY BETWEEN THE FARE

PAID AND THE APPLICABLE OW FARE FOR SECTOR ACTUALLY FLOWN  GENERAL RULE

- APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED

FOR AUTOPRICING. AT ANY TIME - IN CASE OF REFUND - PAPER TICKET SURCHARGE

IS NOT REFUNDABLE WHEN APPLIED.



[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]

THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR CONNECTIONS. AND

- THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.



[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]

TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.



[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]

CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - NO DISCOUNT. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A

SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO DISCOUNT. OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR

UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND

DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT

BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR

5-11 - NO DISCOUNT.



[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]

TUR/TOUR CONDUCTOR PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.



[AGENT DISCOUNTS]

AGT/AGENT PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.



[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]

NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.



[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]

NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE FARE THAT APPLIES

ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE

SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY

REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE

OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID

IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL

THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR

ELECTRONIC TICKET / .



[FARE BY RULE]

NOT APPLICABLE.



[GROUPS]

NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.



[TOURS]

NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.



[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]

NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.



[DEPOSITS]

NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.



[NEGOTIATED FARES]

NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE

Hi KVS,
I'm a new user and tried searching for the answers but I couldn't find them. So, my apologies if this has already been asked.

Is there a way for KVS to send an e-mail alert when a certain fare bucket becomes available on a flight. (i.e. if we are waiting for NC inventory to open up, is there a way for KVS to e-mail us.)

Also, when I typed in my password for the United.com profile (upgrade search), I initially selected that I didn't want KVS to remember my password, but now I do. Is there a way to change that setting?

Thanks in advance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor288 (Post 10557885)

Such functionaility is not currently available in KVS Tool.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor288 (Post 10557885)

Also, when I typed in my password for the United.com profile (upgrade search), I initially selected that I didn't want KVS to remember my password, but now I do. Is there a way to change that setting?

Yes:

Goto Start -> Run
Enter "C:\Program Files\KVS Availability Tool\KVS_AvailabilityTool.ini"
Find a line that says "SavePassword=No" and change it to "SavePassword=Yes"
Save the file and Exit

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephem (Post 10551858)

I understand that you are at the mercy of providers and the fares/ZUJ engine was not under your control. But as others have pointed out, this is a major loss in functionality for KVS.
I just spent a couple hours, unsuccessfully, trying to do what would have taken 20 min tops in the past with KVS. Fares TVN is ok for coach fares, but completely missed business fares for my searches.
I just wanted to avoid paying $7k for a short notice flight to europe in business class and was willing to fly anywhere west coast to anywhere in N europe. I gave up on KVS and used ITA to "needle in the haystack" search to find some better deals and ultimately wound up finding an AF Z fare that has a 5 day advance purchase for around $2500. Neither of the KVS fare tools seem to pull that up.
I am not sure what else is out there for you to tap into, but that lost functionality is critical to me.

The new version will NOT even pull up all the coach fares if the fare list is long.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor288 (Post 10557885)

.... send an e-mail alert when a certain fare bucket becomes available on a flight.

Expertflyer offers this specific feature under flight alerts. I've used it for AA and snagged a few upgrades before being cleared by them. Should work in your case as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10558185)

Such functionaility is not currently available in KVS Tool.

Yes:

Goto Start -> Run
Enter "C:\Program Files\KVS Availability Tool\KVS_AvailabilityTool.ini"
Find a line that says "SavePassword=No" and change it to "SavePassword=Yes"
Save the file and Exit

Perfect, thank you very much.

Why in the following search is LH4722 both available and unavailable?

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]

Code:

SIN  Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

SUN  23 Aug 2009 / 1 Seat



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ------------- 

LH        779    SIN  23:05     FRA  05:25 +1  744       FS+  CS-  YS-

 -> LH    4722   FRA  07:30 +1  LHR  08:05 +1  321       FS/  CS-  YS-

SQ        26     SIN  23:50     FRA  06:30 +1  744       FS-  CS+  YS+

 -> LH    4722   FRA  07:30 +1  LHR  08:05 +1  321       FS/  CS+  YS+

Quote:

Originally Posted by kryten22uk (Post 10566448)

Why in the following search is LH4722 both available and unavailable?

See Segment Marriage Logic at http://www.KVSTool.com/FAQ.php#Factors

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10566542)

See Segment Marriage Logic at http://www.KVSTool.com/FAQ.php#Factors

Thanks

Not sure if this has been covered before. For a simple point to point flight query, all of BA's services usually show up on all four availability engines. For some reason BA142 DELLHR 11 Nov (or any date) is only showing up now via Sabre and Galileo. Odd...

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 10571831)

Pls see FAQ.KVSTool.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 10573103)

Pls see FAQ.KVSTool.com

Which pointed me to this page. Still doesn't answer my question. Why is one out of two daily flights on this route absent from both Apollo and WSpan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 10574760)

Which pointed me to this page. Still doesn't answer my question. Why is one out of two daily flights on this route absent from both Apollo and WSpan?

No, that's a list of supported BA booking classes. Pls keep reading the KVS Tool User Guide/FAQ to find an answer to your question ...