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Chronological Summary of Changes to the Oneworld Explorer Rule Sheet
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
#76
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#77
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My reading:
Bad - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-DOH-JFK...
Good - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-LHR-JFK...
#78
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Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
No "extra in-continent segments" is from 1 July 2013
Just FWIW for those wondering if their elderly xONEx tickets grandfather the two-extra-segments-per-continent benefit, the AA desk agreed that 1 July 2013 was the date of the change that eliminated it.
#79
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#80
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Posts: 6,221
The most significant changes I can see that will hurt is the last sentence of 3.2.1.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe.
My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe.
From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction.
Also 3.2.3. No ME sector from/to Europe if you start in Africa.
These things are becoming more and more restrictive and more and more expensive.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe.
My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe.
From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction.
Also 3.2.3. No ME sector from/to Europe if you start in Africa.
These things are becoming more and more restrictive and more and more expensive.
#81
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Summary of the recent Rule Changes
We’re still waiting for the new rules to be posted on the Oneworld site; but in the meantime I have compared the previous rules (as published on the Oneworld web site on 1-October-2013) and the rules that currently show in Expert Flyer (see post #66 above)
General
*Correction: In the case of "One in each Zone" there is no requirement for one of them to be a transfer without stopover. I have tested this in the tool and it allows each to have stopovers (test itinerary: CPT-oLHR-oMAD-JFK-SYD-MEL-oDOH-oCAI-oDOH-CPT)
General
QR is now a member of Oneworld and so it can be used on a Oneworld Explorer
Rule 1The definition of the continent Europe/Middle East has been changed to split it into two ZONES:
Rule 2(e)Europe Zone – which includes Nth West Africa (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia)
Middle East Zone – which includes Nth East Africa (Libya, Egypt and Sudan)
These zones are used in rule 2(e) to define the allowed second visit to Europe/Middle East from/to Africa Middle East Zone – which includes Nth East Africa (Libya, Egypt and Sudan)
Previously a second visit to Europe/Middle East was allowed provided one of the two visits was a transfer without stopover between Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya or Uganda and another continent
This rule has changed significantly. This is my understanding of it:
- Like the previous version, the new rule:- The new rule allows the transfer without stopover to be to/from any African country (with one restriction)
- The rule has varying new restrictions depending on where your two visits to Europe/Middle East occur:
It will be interesting to see how the online tool handles the new ruleThis rule has changed significantly. This is my understanding of it:
- Like the previous version, the new rule:
- applies only IF you want to include Africa in your itinerary AND you want a second visit to Europe
- requires one of the two visits to Europe/Middle East to be a transfer* without stopover
- The rule has varying new restrictions depending on where your two visits to Europe/Middle East occur:
- Both in the Europe Zone – South Africa and Mauritius cannot be included (and so the transfer without stopover cannot to/from either of these countries)
- Both in the Middle East Zone – no new restrictions
- One in each Zone – no inter-zone segments allowed BUT stopovers allowed on each visit
*Correction: In the case of "One in each Zone" there is no requirement for one of them to be a transfer without stopover. I have tested this in the tool and it allows each to have stopovers (test itinerary: CPT-oLHR-oMAD-JFK-SYD-MEL-oDOH-oCAI-oDOH-CPT)
Last edited by pandaperth; Nov 1, 2013 at 8:34 am Reason: Correction added
#82
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No. This rule has been around since the version of Mar-2012. The words "or by surface" were added in the version of Nov-2012
#83
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The most significant changes I can see that will hurt is the last sentence of 3.2.1.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe.
My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe.
From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe.
My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe.
From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction.
You are allowed to start in SA and finish in NBO - but the rule now is that the visits to Europe/Middle East cannot both be in the Europe Zone. (They can both be in the Middle East Zone, or you can have one in each Zone)
So for example, these are OK:
Start with JNB-LHR and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.3)
Start with JNB-DOH and end with LHR-NBO (also rule 3.2.3)
Start with JNB-DOH and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.2)
But you cannot have:Start with JNB-DOH and end with LHR-NBO (also rule 3.2.3)
Start with JNB-DOH and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.2)
Start with JNB-LHR and end with LHR-NBO (violates rule 3.2.1 because it includes Sth Africa or Mauritius)
#84
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I was reffering to normal people's definition of Europe and not the OW one that includes the Middle East (when it suits them to).
This also means they are forcing us to use QR on one of these sectors and BA on the other. Perhaps that was part of the deal with Willie and the QR lot? (conspriacy theories abound)
Finally it also means one less F sector on an AONEx as to my knowledge QR don't operate an F cabin to any African destination. (Happy to be proven wrong though).
Last edited by Moomba; Nov 1, 2013 at 7:16 am
#85
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Rule 3.2.3 is stating that
IF you want an itinerary
For example these are valid:
JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
IF you want an itinerary
"AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA"
(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone)
THEN(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone)
"TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST"
IF you want a Europe-Middle East sector in your itinerary, then have your two visits to Europe/Middle East be to/from the same ZONEFor example these are valid:
JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
#86
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This also means they are forcing us to use QR on one of these sectors and BA on the other. Perhaps that was part of the deal with Willie and the QR lot? (conspriacy theories abound)
You are allowed say LUN-LHR.....LHR-LUN
Finally it also means one less F sector on an AONEx as to my knowledge QR don't operate an F cabin to any African destination. (Happy to be proven wrong though).
#87
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Rule 3.2.3 is stating that
IF you want an itinerary
For example these are valid:
JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
IF you want an itinerary
"AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA"
(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone)
THEN(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone)
"TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST"
IF you want a Europe-Middle East sector in your itinerary, then have your two visits to Europe/Middle East be to/from the same ZONEFor example these are valid:
JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors)
Also the restrictions for SA originating bookings make them much less desirable as well.
Oh well it was good while it lasted.
#88
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I'm busy dissecting the new rule and intend to post my thoughts shortly
But for now I would say that an itinerary such as
CPT-DOH-LHR-DOH-JFK...MEL-xDOH-CPT appears to be valid (cannot test it online because cannot start with a QR flight)
#89
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Not sure I agree with you
I'm busy dissecting the new rule and intend to post my thoughts shortly
But for now I would say that an itinerary such as
CPT-DOH-LHR-DOH-JFK...MEL-xDOH-CPT appears to be valid (cannot test it online because cannot start with a QR flight)
I'm busy dissecting the new rule and intend to post my thoughts shortly
But for now I would say that an itinerary such as
CPT-DOH-LHR-DOH-JFK...MEL-xDOH-CPT appears to be valid (cannot test it online because cannot start with a QR flight)
Maybe the solution is to only do DONEs from here on in and these rules don't seem so restrictive.
#90
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Fascinating following this and trying to understand all these new rules with regards Africa - based in Cape Town it makes a big difference - but a PITA that you cannot use the on-line tool for a XONEX starting on QR - even for pricing purposes.
I am hoping that the following routing will be permissible: CPT-DOH-MXP-DOH-YUL-MIA-MEX-SCL-GRU-EZE-JFK-HKG-KUL-NRT-PVG-DOH-CPT with no stop overs on the EZE-JFK-HKG and the PVG-DOH-CPT sectors.
I am hoping that the following routing will be permissible: CPT-DOH-MXP-DOH-YUL-MIA-MEX-SCL-GRU-EZE-JFK-HKG-KUL-NRT-PVG-DOH-CPT with no stop overs on the EZE-JFK-HKG and the PVG-DOH-CPT sectors.