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pandaperth Aug 8, 2009 8:16 pm

Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
 
There's a new version of the rule sheet, dated 4 August 2009.

A quick scan for highlighted changes gives:

4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
...
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India

8. STOPOVERS
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin...

10. Sales Restrictions
...
The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.

Keith009 Aug 8, 2009 9:12 pm

Thanks for doing the hard yards pandaperth! :)

serfty Aug 8, 2009 10:17 pm

I think the:

8. STOPOVERS
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin...
was noted with the online booking tool back in June but was not reflected in the online rules .pdf available at the time.

pandaperth Aug 10, 2009 1:45 am

BTW I have no idea how this thread has become a 'sticky'
Nothing that I (knowingly) did
Honest:)

serfty Oct 12, 2009 10:37 pm

This rule has some teeth!
 
Code:


  FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
          NOTE -
          MAXIMUM TWO STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
          OF ORIGIN OF WHICH A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IS
          PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE COUNTRY OF
          ORIGIN .

I booked a LONE4 for this morning via the AA ATW desk.

I wanted AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL with stopovers at MEL and SYD.

I was informed that I could only have two stopovers in my continent of origin (which I knew) but this rule variance meant I could have one stopover "at the start of the trip" and the one stopover "at the end"; I could not have none "at the start" and two "at the end" or vv. (That was how it was put to me).

[edit]
In hindsight, I probably should have pushed this due to the difference between country and continent "of origin".
[/edit]

However, It was no real issue in our case; I simply wanted to book most connections as stopovers so I simply booked AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL (i.e. a transit in SYD).

It is not an issue for intra Oz flights if you start outside of SWP.

To avoid later fees and/or re-ticketing should I need to change routing resulting in a transfer (-x) becoming a stopover (-)

fraserm Oct 12, 2009 11:04 pm

Hi,

I was wondering whether this rule affects my proposed DONE4.

Route:

cgk-nrt-pek-hkg-jfk.....-lhr-hkg-cgk.


I wanted to have a stopover in nrt and pek. Am I misapplying the rule, or is that now not allowed?

Hagbard Viking Oct 12, 2009 11:21 pm


Originally Posted by fraserm (Post 12616824)
Hi,

I was wondering whether this rule affects my proposed DONE4.

Route:

cgk-nrt-pek-hkg-jfk.....-lhr-hkg-cgk.


I wanted to have a stopover in nrt and pek. Am I misapplying the rule, or is that now not allowed?

Unless the map of Asia is redrawn significantly so that CGK, PEK, and NRT end up in the same country you should be fine. :)

serfty Oct 12, 2009 11:21 pm

Does the oneworld booking tool allow such a routing?

( http://oneworldrtw.innosked.com/ )

serfty Oct 12, 2009 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Hagbard Viking (Post 12616932)
Unless the map of Asia is redrawn significantly so that CGK, PEK, and NRT end up in the same country you should be fine. :)

Actually, the rule states "CONTINENT ...", not "COUNTRY ...".

And then it states both, so it's ok

Hagbard Viking Oct 13, 2009 12:12 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 12616942)
Actually, the rule states "CONTINENT ...", not "COUNTRY ...".

Exactly! Two stopovers allowed in CONTINENT of origin, which means that PEK and NRT should be fine, since they are NOT both in COUNTRY of origin, which would violate the second half of the rule...

fraserm Oct 13, 2009 12:57 am

Ahh. very good.

My contract law lecturer would be quite disappointed in me..

Thanks

Fraserm

christep Oct 13, 2009 7:12 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 12616663)
Code:


  FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
          NOTE -
          MAXIMUM TWO STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
          OF ORIGIN OF WHICH A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IS
          PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE COUNTRY OF
          ORIGIN .

I booked a LONE4 for this morning via the AA ATW desk.

I wanted AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL with stopovers at MEL and SYD.

I was informed that I could only have two stopovers in my continent of origin (which I knew) but this rule variance meant I could have one stopover "at the start of the trip" and the one stopover "at the end"; I could not have none "at the start" and two "at the end" or vv. (That was how it was put to me).[/B] so I simply booked AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL (i.e. a transit in SYD).

I'm confused here. You (or the AA RTW desk) seem to be suggesting that in this case SYD & MEL are in the same country as AKL. Am I missing something?

aaupgrade Oct 13, 2009 7:19 am

Code:


  FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
          NOTE -
          MAXIMUM TWO STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
          OF ORIGIN OF WHICH A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IS
          PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE COUNTRY OF
          ORIGIN .

In each direction? This just doesn't make sense IMO. The last time I checked (a couple minutes ago) travel was in one direction, so what do they actually mean?

Code:

(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3
Does the rule really mean maximum of 1 stopover in the country of origin prior to exiting the country of origin and maximum of 1 stopover upon returning to the country of origin. Or does it mean maximum of 1 stopover in country of origin. They could not have made it more unclear IMO and is wide open for interpretation as Serfty has already encountered.

christep Oct 13, 2009 7:34 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 12618964)
Does the rule really mean maximum of 1 stopover in the country of origin prior to exiting the country of origin and maximum of 1 stopover upon returning to the country of origin. Or does it mean maximum of 1 stopover in country of origin. The could not have made it more unclear IMO and is wide open for interpretation as Serfty has already encountered.

It seems clear to me that it means the former. If they had meant "maximum of 1 stopover in country of origin" they would simply have omitted the phrase "in each direction".

What is confusing me is that SYD and MEL aren't in the country of origin so I don't see how AA could prohibit his two stopovers at the end.

The rule that AA seems to have applied is
Code:

FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
          NOTE -
          MAXIMUM TWO STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
          OF ORIGIN OF WHICH A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IS
          PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE CONTINENT OF
          ORIGIN .

which is not what I read the rule as saying at all. To me this seems to be "Agent Error" at the AA RTW desk (not realising that Australia and New Zealand are different countries).

Wasabi Tofu Oct 13, 2009 7:42 am

New rule prohibts a routing such as
BWI-xDFW-LAX-JFK-LHR-HKG-JFK
Before new rule introduced, one can practically make a domestic side trip before/after REAL RTW trip.
Oneworld does not want such routing, just IMHO.


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