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Originally Posted by christep (Post 12618933)

I'm confused here. You (or the AA RTW desk) seem to be suggesting that in this case SYD & MEL are in the same country as AKL. Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by christep (Post 12619051)

... which is not what I read the rule as saying at all. To me this seems to be "Agent Error" at the AA RTW desk (not realising that Australia and New Zealand are different countries).

You are right :o - this was towards the end of a 45 minute telephone call (18 minutes on hold) and I wanted to get it over and done with. It was not a big deal to me.

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Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 12619085)

...
Before new rule introduced, one can practically make a domestic side trip before/after REAL RTW trip.
Oneworld does not want such routing, just IMHO.

Agreed; really only pertinent when originating in large area countries like USA, Canada and Australia.

CBR now included in Australia transcon retrictions

New version of rules dated 30 November 2009

Only change I've spotted is:

4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS
...
(l)Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points:

BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
CBR/MEL/SYD - DRW
MEL/SYD - BME

...

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Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 12619085)

New rule prohibts a routing such as
BWI-xDFW-LAX-JFK-LHR-HKG-JFK
Before new rule introduced, one can practically make a domestic side trip before/after REAL RTW trip.
Oneworld does not want such routing, just IMHO.

You are very probably correct, Wasabi Tofu. In the past, it's been suggested in this very forum that itineraries could be arranged like this in order to use up some of the segments that would otherwise go unused, even several months before/after the true RTW trip. I guess part of the price we pay for an open forum is that OneWorld can react to the members' creativity where they think that we are pushing the limits too much.

That said, I believe it's very healthy that the market forces operate like this. It would not be in anyone's interest for the product to become so unprofitable that it were to be withdrawn.

There have been reports that some booking agents are applying it to the "continent of origin" rather than the "country of origin".

I was told that my planned AKL-xLAX-...-NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL was invalid, but AKL-xLAX-...-NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL was Ok.

New version of the Rule Sheet - dated 1-Nov-2010

Only two changes

as reported by Bukhara in another thread:

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Originally Posted by Bukhara (Post 15056132)

Whilst Oneworld4u may not have been paying much attention to this forum, rest assured that other areas of Oneworld have not been so negligent!

The wording in the Flight Application has now been changed to prevent crafty folk from including surface sectors and escaping the extra continent charge for travel between Europe/M.East - SW Pacific.

TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A
SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING
SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.

Also, the Surcharges for premium economy have changed
- presumably they have gone up, but I don't have a record of what they used to be to confirm that

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Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 15058699)

Also, the Surcharges for premium economy have changed
- presumably they have gone up, but I don't have a record of what they used to be to confirm that

New:

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12. SURCHARGES

Economy Class Passengers may travel in QF Premium Economy cabin, JL Premium

Economy, or BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge, per flight segment of:

AUD1400 GBP850 JPY113,000 USD1350

Sectors between SWP and Africa     

Sectors between SWP and Europe

Sectors between SWP and North America

Sectors between SWP and South America



AUD900 GBP550 JPY73,000 USD850

Sectors between SWP and Asia          

Sectors between Asia and North America

Sectors between Europe and Africa

Sectors between Europe and Asia

Sectors between Europe and North America

Sectors between Europe and South America

Sectors within continents





Book in‘

BA - T Class

JL - W Class

QF - R Class

Identify as a -Q- in the fare calculation, immediately following applicable sector.

Child/infant discounts apply.

For tickets not issued in AUD/GBP/JPY/USD apply the USD amount at the ROE.

Old:

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Economy Class Passengers may travel in QF Premium Economy cabin,
JL Premium Economy, or BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge,
per flight segment of:
Sectors between SWP and Africa
Sectors between SWP and Europe
Sectors between SWP and North America
Sectors between SWP and South America
AUD1250 GBP600 JPY112,000
Sectors between SWP and Asia
Sectors between Asia and North America
Sectors between Europe and Africa
Sectors between Europe and Asia
Sectors between Europe and North America
Sectors between Europe and South America
Sectors within continents
AUD825 GBP400 JPY70,000

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12347384-post4.html

02/02/2011 - New Version of the Rules issued

^now allows QF codeshare flights on JQ

:td:Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/fom which only two flights are allowed from/to the U.K

No other changes that I can see

01-Apr-2011 - New Version of the Rules Issued

Changes are no longer being highlighted it seems

The only change I can spot is that Tanzania has been removed from the list of African countries from/to which a second European entry is allowed
(rule 4(e)(3))
Not unexpected really - not after BA's Commair started flying JNB-DAR
But still:td:

I noticed that all of Russia is part of Europe.
*Europe-Middle East (Including Algeria, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Morocco Russia both east and west of the Urals, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan )

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Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 16211675)

IIRC that rule was there before April :confused:

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Originally Posted by og (Post 16214110)

IIRC that rule was there before April :confused:

Correct, this was done when S7 joined.

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Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 12619085)

Generally wouldn't want to originate in US anyway, so those six segments can still be useful.

Yet another new version of the rules - dated 2-May-2011
One change is highlighted - to the trans-cons in Australia, which now reads

Quote:

Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the
following points:
BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
CBR/MEL/SYD - DRW
BNE/MEL/SYD - BME
BNE/MEL/SYD - KTA

(their bolding/colour)

ALSO - am I correct that some fares have gone up?
- I just looked on KVS and an ex-Australia DONE4 is AUD11,999; I'm pretty sure that it was AUD11,699 back in February

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Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 16331107)

Yet another new version of the rules - dated 2-May-2011
One change is highlighted - to the trans-cons in Australia, which now reads

(their bolding/colour)

ALSO - am I correct that some fares have gone up?
- I just looked on KVS and an ex-Australia DONE4 is AUD11,999; I'm pretty sure that it was AUD11,699 back in February

Yep, see these posts from early March:

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Originally Posted by moa999 (Post 15959132)

Or are the fares being removed from the website - a big backward step in my book.

Anyone got a Premium E/F membership to check a few fares
Copied these from my previous version as representative of major countries and some of the common starting locations.

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                 DONE4    DONE5      AONE4      AONE5



South Africa     48,000   55,200     72,900     83,800 

Australia        11,699   12,999     17,399     18,899 

Hong Kong        84,890   91,750    127,450    138,260 

United States    10,799   12,299     14,899     17,099 

United Kingdom    5,719    6,551     10,347     11,689 

Israel (EUR)      7,200    8,500     10,000     11,700 

Denmark          45,805   52,975     83,425     92,720 

Japan           780,400  895,200  1,126,100  1,304,900

All in local currency

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Originally Posted by serfty (Post 15970528)

Qantas have the following illustrative nett fares (inclusive of http://footy.org.au/ppplus.bmp) published on their website: (http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...er/au/en#jump3)

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Continents    4       5       6  



Economy    $4,365 $4,967   $5,916

Busines   $12,303 $13,565 $15,480

First     $18,003 $19,464 $21,580

The actual base fares currently (from E/F) are:

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Ex Australia (AUD)



Continents    4       5       6  



Economy    $3,899  $4,499  $5,199

Business  $11,699 $12,999 $14,599

First     $17,399 $18,899 $20,699

For Comparison, from TLOTLWC:

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Ex New Zealand (NZD)



Continents    4       5       6  



Economy    $3,899  $4,499  $5,199

Business  $12,499 $13,999 $15,399

First     $17,099 $19,699 $21,799

Converting NZD to ~AUD gives:

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Ex New Zealand (~AUD)



Continents    4       5       6  



Economy    $2,970  $3,430  $3,970

Business   $9,550 $10,670 $11,740

First     $13,100 $15,100 $16,700

Approx. base Savings by starting and finishing in NZ:

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Approx AUD saving:



Continents    4       5       6  



Economy      $930  $1,070  $1,230

Business   $2,150  $2,330  $2,860

First      $4,300  $3,800  $4,000

Currently a return booking from East Coast Oz to NZ for positioning can be purchased from around AUD300 return.