Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
 

There's a new version of the rule sheet, dated 4 August 2009.

A quick scan for highlighted changes gives:

4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
...
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India

8. STOPOVERS
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin...

10. Sales Restrictions
...
The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.

Thanks for doing the hard yards pandaperth! :)

I think the:was noted with the online booking tool back in June but was not reflected in the online rules .pdf available at the time.

BTW I have no idea how this thread has become a 'sticky'
Nothing that I (knowingly) did
Honest:)

This rule has some teeth!
 

I booked a LONE4 for this morning via the AA ATW desk.

I wanted AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL with stopovers at MEL and SYD.

I was informed that I could only have two stopovers in my continent of origin (which I knew) but this rule variance meant I could have one stopover "at the start of the trip" and the one stopover "at the end"; I could not have none "at the start" and two "at the end" or vv. (That was how it was put to me).

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In hindsight, I probably should have pushed this due to the difference between country and continent "of origin".
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However, It was no real issue in our case; I simply wanted to book most connections as stopovers¶ so I simply booked AKL-LAX- ... -NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL (i.e. a transit in SYD).

It is not an issue for intra Oz flights if you start outside of SWP.

¶To avoid later fees and/or re-ticketing should I need to change routing resulting in a transfer (-x) becoming a stopover (-)

Hi,

I was wondering whether this rule affects my proposed DONE4.

Route:

cgk-nrt-pek-hkg-jfk.....-lhr-hkg-cgk.


I wanted to have a stopover in nrt and pek. Am I misapplying the rule, or is that now not allowed?

Unless the map of Asia is redrawn significantly so that CGK, PEK, and NRT end up in the same country you should be fine. :)

Does the oneworld booking tool allow such a routing?

( http://oneworldrtw.innosked.com/ )

Actually, the rule states "CONTINENT ...", not "COUNTRY ...".

And then it states both, so it's ok

Exactly! Two stopovers allowed in CONTINENT of origin, which means that PEK and NRT should be fine, since they are NOT both in COUNTRY of origin, which would violate the second half of the rule...

Ahh. very good.

My contract law lecturer would be quite disappointed in me..

Thanks

Fraserm

I'm confused here. You (or the AA RTW desk) seem to be suggesting that in this case SYD & MEL are in the same country as AKL. Am I missing something?

In each direction? This just doesn't make sense IMO. The last time I checked (a couple minutes ago) travel was in one direction, so what do they actually mean?

Does the rule really mean maximum of 1 stopover in the country of origin prior to exiting the country of origin and maximum of 1 stopover upon returning to the country of origin. Or does it mean maximum of 1 stopover in country of origin. They could not have made it more unclear IMO and is wide open for interpretation as Serfty has already encountered.

It seems clear to me that it means the former. If they had meant "maximum of 1 stopover in country of origin" they would simply have omitted the phrase "in each direction".

What is confusing me is that SYD and MEL aren't in the country of origin so I don't see how AA could prohibit his two stopovers at the end.

The rule that AA seems to have applied is which is not what I read the rule as saying at all. To me this seems to be "Agent Error" at the AA RTW desk (not realising that Australia and New Zealand are different countries).

New rule prohibts a routing such as
BWI-xDFW-LAX-JFK-LHR-HKG-JFK
Before new rule introduced, one can practically make a domestic side trip before/after REAL RTW trip.
Oneworld does not want such routing, just IMHO.

You are right :o - this was towards the end of a 45 minute telephone call (18 minutes on hold) and I wanted to get it over and done with. It was not a big deal to me.

Agreed; really only pertinent when originating in large area countries like USA, Canada and Australia.

CBR now included in Australia transcon retrictions
 

New version of rules dated 30 November 2009

Only change I've spotted is:

4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS
...
(l)Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points:...

You are very probably correct, Wasabi Tofu. In the past, it's been suggested in this very forum that itineraries could be arranged like this in order to use up some of the segments that would otherwise go unused, even several months before/after the true RTW trip. I guess part of the price we pay for an open forum is that OneWorld can react to the members' creativity where they think that we are pushing the limits too much.

That said, I believe it's very healthy that the market forces operate like this. It would not be in anyone's interest for the product to become so unprofitable that it were to be withdrawn.

There have been reports that some booking agents are applying it to the "continent of origin" rather than the "country of origin".

I was told that my planned AKL-xLAX-...-NRT-SYD-MEL-AKL was invalid, but AKL-xLAX-...-NRT-xSYD-MEL-AKL was Ok.

New version of the Rule Sheet - dated 1-Nov-2010

Only two changes

as reported by Bukhara in another thread:
Also, the Surcharges for premium economy have changed
- presumably they have gone up, but I don't have a record of what they used to be to confirm that

New:
Old:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12347384-post4.html

02/02/2011 - New Version of the Rules issued
 

^now allows QF codeshare flights on JQ

:td:Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/fom which only two flights are allowed from/to the U.K

No other changes that I can see

01-Apr-2011 - New Version of the Rules Issued
 

Changes are no longer being highlighted it seems

The only change I can spot is that Tanzania has been removed from the list of African countries from/to which a second European entry is allowed
(rule 4(e)(3))
Not unexpected really - not after BA's Commair started flying JNB-DAR
But still:td:

I noticed that all of Russia is part of Europe.
*Europe-Middle East (Including Algeria, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Libya, Morocco Russia both east and west of the Urals, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan )

IIRC that rule was there before April :confused:

Correct, this was done when S7 joined.

Generally wouldn't want to originate in US anyway, so those six segments can still be useful.

Yet another new version of the rules - dated 2-May-2011
One change is highlighted - to the trans-cons in Australia, which now reads (their bolding/colour)

ALSO - am I correct that some fares have gone up?
- I just looked on KVS and an ex-Australia DONE4 is AUD11,999; I'm pretty sure that it was AUD11,699 back in February

Yep, see these posts from early March:

DONEx fares have gone up from New Zealand:+$200, +$300 & +$300

Other classes remained the same.

1-Feb-2013 Malaysian Airlines joins OW
 

The OW Explorer rule sheet on KVS now shows MH as one of the carriers
Not yet showing on the OW website

The only other change I have spotted has been in the [Children Discounts] section

Edited to add: the Fare Rules on the Oneworld site have now been updated - http://www.oneworld.com/oneworld/......rer_1Feb13.doc
:confused:This version of the rules does not have the Child Discount conditions that the KVS version showed.



[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.2/Diamond - DotRes: KUL-KUL/MH/LONE6/18171 MYR]

1-MAR-2013
 

New version of the rule sheet posted on the oneworld web site

I cannot spot any changes, other than there is now a matrix showing Class vs No of continents

That's all I noticed as well...

Anyone else here, like me, who's been waiting for QR to join OW fully for the xONEx SEZ benefit? For those who don't know, OW service to SEZ ended years ago, and they haven't updated the xONEx fares ex-SEZ because there's been no OW service, so it's irrelevant. Thus they are absurdly low. QR has daily SEZ-DOH service, raising the possibility of getting a verrry cheap AONEx ticket.

QR joined the Global Explorer fares on 1 March. I called the AA RTW desk to try to get one right at the start. When I called in the morning, the agent told me that they were still loading the fares into the system and I should call back in the afternoon. When I did (and I randomly got the same agent, -- he remembered me), the fares had been loaded, but they were also current. I checked on an AONE3 (I think) ex-SEZ, and it was USD $10,800. I had been hoping for half that. Darn.

Same as HRE and NBO for AONE4 (so presumably SEZ is in Africa as well and thus AONE4 minimum possible.)

I think it cannot have been a Oneworld Explorer fare that you checked, since no OW airline flies to SEZ
It might have been an AGLOB34, now that QR can be included in a Global Explorer

I've tried checking GLOB fares ex-SEZ using KVS, but nothing is showing ... yet

I checked it for another thread last night and am getting the same thing now. The only RTW fares (any airline, any class) showing up ex-SEZ in EF are AF filed SkyTeam First class xRTWSKYx fares.

Mmm
89,246SC for an FRTWSKY1 doesn't look too shabby (~$7000 for 38K miles in First)

Interesting that the F fares are still stated in SCR whereas the C fares are in USD (and they are more expensive $11K for the CRTWSKY1 :confused:)

You're right, my typo. I checked an AGLOB34, the only xGLOBx for F cabin travel.