It is in Africa for the new Global Explorer rule sheet - it is one of the African countries listed in the exception allowing a second visit to Europe

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2F3. For travel to/from or via Ghana/Kenya/Mozambique/Nigeria/ Rwanda /Seychelles /Tanzania/Uganda two permitted in Europe/Middle East when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana /Kenya /Mozambique /Nigeria /Rwanda /Seychelles /Tanzania/Uganda and another continent.

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Actually there are ex-SEZ xONEy fares, just that y>=4. Looks like pretty good deal to me if actually usable (but doubt it).

SEZ has had fares loaded for quite some time when oneworld did have service there (BA IIRC). When they pulled out, the fares stayed in the system but were not bookable.

Yes. The xGLOBnn fares are now showing in KVS (they didn't show 3 days ago)
The fares are in USD, not SCR
And they match what you listed - the higher fares that is
for example, your listing below has two fares shown for each of LGLOB34, DGLOB34 and AGLOB34

KVS still doesn't show the OWE fares - xONEx
but I guess that is fair enough, because QR is not yet in OW

Still, we should now be able to book Global Explorer fares that start from/include SEZ
And since SEZ is in Africa, an ex-SEZ ticket can end anywhere in Africa

I can't seem to get the SEZ fares to pop up? How did you do it?

the fares look really good!!!! It might still be bookable as the first sector maybe able to be a land segment? can't it be???

Yes, but the Global Explorer fares are nothing special (having recently gone up a lot -- ie actually been issued afresh)... and given the Explorer fares are normally close to xONEx fares from other starting points I would expect something to change (and not for the better) when QR joins.
Thus SEZ in my mind is moot.

I typed "FQSEZSEZ-BA/USD" in Abacus (Sabre). As others have said, it might not be bookable. I don't know.

Actually if the Global Explorer fare is still Valid then it is NOT bad at all. because take the 34K miles, only 3.5K USD!

And u can take QR to escape SEZ first and then can end up in other parts of Africa Oneworld airline flies to..

Can be considered.......

No.

Well then global explorer seems ok? U can now use QR?

However how do we ticket this?

New Version of the Rule Sheet - dated 1 July 2013
 

Now showing on the OW web site - link here

As far as I can see, the only change is in Rule 10 "Sales Restrictions"

Previous Wording:New wording:

Sounds like Europeans can now take advantage of cheap(er) ex-CAI fares without leaving home.

Please explain. ex-CAI would be ex-Middle East rather than ex-Europe I would think. No?

For xONEx trip-routing purposes, North Africa and the Middle East are in "Europe". That doesn't mean that OW is using the same definition for the purposes of the rule being discussed, of course.

Even though Middle East is part of "Europe" for continent routing rules, it is separate for other rules. ie, you can finish "within the middle east", not "within europe".

How can I find out the latest LONEx and DONEx fares for different countries?

I have KVS but the RTW option is no longer there under fares. Also haven't seen a list on here anywhere recently, apologies if I have missed this somehow!

Expert Flyer, or pricing out basic trips on the tool.

No way at the moment to see current prices from more then one country at a time.

The RTW option in KVS has been gone for some time
but there is a (messy) way to get at them (but only one at a time, as Himeno said)
See http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php?Source=SD-HELP#RTW

It no longer permits the purchase of additional segments above the four (six in N.A.) per continent. Or maybe this happened even earlier but I missed it then?

I use ExpertFlyer. Enter the same airport code for origination, destination, and purchasing location. If desired, can also enter A, D, or L as booking code.

Still have to do a separate query origin by origin. There was some discussion a few years back about making the comparison spreadsheet available to EF subscribers, which would both make things easier for people to compare fares, continents, classes, and origins, and also reduce EF's costs since subscribers would access the spreadsheet rather than making multiple queries. But nothing came of it.

Well spotted:)

Checking on earlier versions - and the ability to purchase additional segments was still there in the March-2013 version.
So yes, rules have been further enhanced:(

Yet another version of the rule sheet - dated 1-October-2013

The only change I can see is that LAN Columbia has been added to the list of allowed affiliate airlines in rule 2(j)

From another thread:

A 'typical' trip EU-NA-Asia-EU means the maximum possible is 17 segments (4+6+4+3 intercontinental) so to max the trip you'll have at least 5 in NA, whatever else you had in mind. Given the one-transcon limit and AA's paucity of longish north-south nonstops (and lots of competitively-priced alternatives for domestic travel) the new limit is quite disappointing.

Hopefully trips initiated before 31 Aug are grandfathered to the old rules, but best be prepared to 'discuss' the matter with the airline. (Anyone with on-going business with the AA RTW desk could please ask their agent how s/he thinks the new rule applies to old tickets and advise here, thanks.)

16 segment maximium on *ONE* tickets has been in place for several years. (10 years ago I did a 28 segment LONE5)

With previous changes the rules have been grandfathered to the rules in place when you purchased the ticket.

Didn't mean to suggest that we are suddenly getting 17 segments, rather that those who want to use their god-given 16 now have less flexibility in how to allocate them by continent.

On the grandfather thing, one thing that's not been grandfathered in the past is the right to use an airline (for more than a brief period) after it exits OW. I do expect existing trips will indeed be allowed to add segments as before, but also won't be surprised to find some agents who'll argue the point.

There are likely to be a number of rule changes to most oneworld products coming on Friday. Most will be to reflect QR's joining.
Will have to see if anything about the "SWP-EU counts as travel through Asia" rule changes.

The new rules are live for areas that are already at 10/30 (e.g. AKL).

There appear to be a bunch of new rules for travel to/from Africa.
So, you cannot do LHR-DXB-LHR-JNB-DOH...??

Item K has changed too:
They are still saying MEL-DOH or SYD-DXB would have to include Asia.

Thanks, I guess.

:td: No DONE3s for me :(

Just need MH to restart their Africa-South America flight or AA to start the rumored MIA-JNB.

The oneworld website is updated, but is linking to old rule sheets. (July for xONEx and September for xGLOBnn)

The RTW tool is showing QR routes but isn't showing QR flights, so I can't play around with the new rules.

I have family in SWP and was hoping for Europe-SWP-North (or South) America :(

Get an xONE3 through SIN and have extra budget flights from there?

We'll have to wait for the full rules to be sure, but if I'm correctly reading these initial changes for Africa backtracking, it might turn out to make the product more flexible after all.

Previously, the Africa backtracking provision (for two transits through Europe) applied to an ever-changing and short list of countries;

Now, though, it seems the two transits through Europe are allowed for any African country. Sure, in the case of South Africa or MRU both transits would need to be on QR (or RJ) rather than BA, but on balance, I think this could be a plus.

I can pull the full rules from EF but I didn't think anyone wanted to see that wall of text. :D

Yes, please. Or the URL.

I read it so that you cannot do LHR-JNB-DOH-BOM ?

YOu would think that it would be sensible to have a clause to allow 2nd entry to Europe when transit via Middle East for travel between Africa & Asia.

No, it specially allows that routing. The old rules use to only allow two flights between LON and ME, that rule is still there. But, now they have further specified that you cannot have those flights if you enter/leave Africa via ME (aka DOH). The worst part about that is it does not allow any flights to/from Europe not just the UK.

My reading:
Bad - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-DOH-JFK...
Good - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-LHR-JFK...

No "extra in-continent segments" is from 1 July 2013
 

Just FWIW for those wondering if their elderly xONEx tickets grandfather the two-extra-segments-per-continent benefit, the AA desk agreed that 1 July 2013 was the date of the change that eliminated it.

AA MIA-JNB would be excellent, since most of our RTWs are en-JNB, and it gets hard to find award space to get there to start.

The most significant changes I can see that will hurt is the last sentence of 3.2.1.

FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL
MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.

This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe.

My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe.

From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction.

Also 3.2.3. No ME sector from/to Europe if you start in Africa. :eek:


These things are becoming more and more restrictive and more and more expensive. :mad: