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pandaperth Oct 1, 2013 8:10 am

Yet another version of the rule sheet - dated 1-October-2013

The only change I can see is that LAN Columbia has been added to the list of allowed affiliate airlines in rule 2(j)

From another thread:

Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21534305)
While LAN Colombia officially joined today it was also announced TAM will join on March 31:
http://www.oneworld.com/news-informa..._col_count%3D5


JohnAx Oct 1, 2013 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 21450825)
Well spotted:)

Checking on earlier versions - and the ability to purchase additional segments was still there in the March-2013 version.
So yes, rules have been further enhanced:(

A 'typical' trip EU-NA-Asia-EU means the maximum possible is 17 segments (4+6+4+3 intercontinental) so to max the trip you'll have at least 5 in NA, whatever else you had in mind. Given the one-transcon limit and AA's paucity of longish north-south nonstops (and lots of competitively-priced alternatives for domestic travel) the new limit is quite disappointing.

Hopefully trips initiated before 31 Aug are grandfathered to the old rules, but best be prepared to 'discuss' the matter with the airline. (Anyone with on-going business with the AA RTW desk could please ask their agent how s/he thinks the new rule applies to old tickets and advise here, thanks.)

Mwenenzi Oct 1, 2013 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by JohnAx (Post 21536695)
A 'typical' trip EU-NA-Asia-EU means the maximum possible is 17 segments (4+6+4+3 intercontinental) ...
< snip >
Hopefully trips initiated before 31 Aug are grandfathered to the old rules, but best be prepared to 'discuss' the matter with the airline....

16 segment maximium on *ONE* tickets has been in place for several years. (10 years ago I did a 28 segment LONE5)

With previous changes the rules have been grandfathered to the rules in place when you purchased the ticket.

JohnAx Oct 2, 2013 12:38 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 21537406)
16 segment maximium on *ONE* tickets has been in place for several years. (10 years ago I did a 28 segment LONE5)

With previous changes the rules have been grandfathered to the rules in place when you purchased the ticket.

Didn't mean to suggest that we are suddenly getting 17 segments, rather that those who want to use their god-given 16 now have less flexibility in how to allocate them by continent.

On the grandfather thing, one thing that's not been grandfathered in the past is the right to use an airline (for more than a brief period) after it exits OW. I do expect existing trips will indeed be allowed to add segments as before, but also won't be surprised to find some agents who'll argue the point.

Himeno Oct 29, 2013 10:22 am

There are likely to be a number of rule changes to most oneworld products coming on Friday. Most will be to reflect QR's joining.
Will have to see if anything about the "SWP-EU counts as travel through Asia" rule changes.

skunker Oct 29, 2013 12:28 pm

The new rules are live for areas that are already at 10/30 (e.g. AKL).

There appear to be a bunch of new rules for travel to/from Africa.
Code:

EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST - 4
            //NOT MORE THAN 2 OF WHICH MAY BE BETWEEN THE
              UK AND ALBANIA/ALGERIA/BULGARIA/CROATIA
              /CYPRUS/GREECE/ISRAEL/LIBYA/MIDDLE EAST
              /MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA/TUNISIA/TURKEY
              /UKRAINE.
              //NOT MORE THAN 2 OF WHICH MAY BE BETWEEN
              RUSSIA WEST OF THE URALS AND RUSSIA EAST OF
              THE URALS.//
              //SEGMENTS BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST
              ARE NOT PERMITTED IF TRAVEL INCLUDES AFRICA
              AND THE ITINERARY UTILISES THE BACKTRACKING
              PROVISION IN PARAGRAPH 4.E.3.1.3 OR 3.2.3//

Code:

SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR TRAVEL WHICH
                INCLUDES AFRICA. -
                FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN IN AFRICA
                ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS
                PERMITTED.
              3.1.1 //EUROPE-AFRICA-EUROPE//
                ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
                TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
                AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.  TRAVEL
                MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
              3.1.2 //MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST//
                ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A
                TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
                AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.
              3.1.3 //EUROPE-AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST OR MIDDLE
                EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE//
                TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR
                SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE
                EAST.
              FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE
              FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED.
              3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
                ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A
                TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
                AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.  TRAVEL
                MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
              3.2.2 //AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-MIDDLE EAST//
                ONE OF THE VISITS TO MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A
                TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
                AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.
              3.2.3 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA
                OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA//
                TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR
                SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE
                MIDDLE EAST.

So, you cannot do LHR-DXB-LHR-JNB-DOH...??

Item K has changed too:
Code:

K. 1. TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE
                /MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY
                SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-
                EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.

They are still saying MEL-DOH or SYD-DXB would have to include Asia.

Gardyloo Oct 29, 2013 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 21689395)
The new rules are live for areas that are already at 10/30 (e.g. AKL)...

Thanks, I guess.

dsf Oct 29, 2013 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 21689395)
Item K has changed too:
Code:

K. 1. TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE
                /MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY
                SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-
                EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.

They are still saying MEL-DOH or SYD-DXB would have to include Asia.

:td: No DONE3s for me :(

Himeno Oct 29, 2013 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by dsf (Post 21690233)
:td: No DONE3s for me :(

Just need MH to restart their Africa-South America flight or AA to start the rumored MIA-JNB.

The oneworld website is updated, but is linking to old rule sheets. (July for xONEx and September for xGLOBnn)

skunker Oct 29, 2013 3:55 pm

The RTW tool is showing QR routes but isn't showing QR flights, so I can't play around with the new rules.

dsf Oct 29, 2013 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 21690670)
Just need MH to restart their Africa-South America flight or AA to start the rumored MIA-JNB.

I have family in SWP and was hoping for Europe-SWP-North (or South) America :(

Himeno Oct 29, 2013 4:27 pm


Originally Posted by dsf (Post 21690751)
I have family in SWP and was hoping for Europe-SWP-North (or South) America :(

Get an xONE3 through SIN and have extra budget flights from there?

checkerboard Oct 29, 2013 5:15 pm

We'll have to wait for the full rules to be sure, but if I'm correctly reading these initial changes for Africa backtracking, it might turn out to make the product more flexible after all.

Previously, the Africa backtracking provision (for two transits through Europe) applied to an ever-changing and short list of countries;

Now, though, it seems the two transits through Europe are allowed for any African country. Sure, in the case of South Africa or MRU both transits would need to be on QR (or RJ) rather than BA, but on balance, I think this could be a plus.

skunker Oct 29, 2013 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by checkerboard (Post 21691212)
We'll have to wait for the full rules to be sure, but if I'm correctly reading these initial changes for Africa backtracking, it might turn out to make the product more flexible after all.

Previously, the Africa backtracking provision (for two transits through Europe) applied to an ever-changing and short list of countries;

Now, though, it seems the two transits through Europe are allowed for any African country. Sure, in the case of South Africa or MRU both transits would need to be on QR (or RJ) rather than BA, but on balance, I think this could be a plus.

I can pull the full rules from EF but I didn't think anyone wanted to see that wall of text. :D

Full Score Oct 30, 2013 4:50 am


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 21691252)
I can pull the full rules from EF but I didn't think anyone wanted to see that wall of text. :D

Yes, please. Or the URL.


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