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Dear Dave N and Pandap, Thanks for this. Africa obviously seems to be sub-Sahara, with the northern bit split between Europe and the Middle-East depending on how far west they are. I'm sure they must have debates over in the Star Alliance about Istanbul, and its two airports in different continents!

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Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 21711326)

3.2.3 Africa-Europe-RTW-Middle East-Africa OR Africa-Middle East-RTW-Europe-Africa
Travel may not include any flown or surface sector between Europe and Middle East

Oh! I've got JNB-MRU-LGW-[USA-ASIA]-DOHx-JNB about to be ticketed. I don't have any Europe-Middle east sectors. Based on the above I don't actually have to make Doha a transit connection?

Neat: that would give me a cheap option to nest an award ticket back to Europe after being in Asia. Time to go see if the AA RTW desk see it that way too.

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Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 22284093)

Do you need to go back to JNB? QR is/will run 787 to CPT.

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Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 22284093)

Yes - you can stopover in Doha

The rule 3.2.3 does not have the words "transfer without stopover", which is what the rules 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 have

So in fact, if you have the spare segments, in addition to stopping over in DOH you can stopover elsewhere in the Middle East zone - for example AMM, CAI, KRT
Same thing in the Europe zone
You are just restricted by the allowed 4 flight segments in the continent of Europe/Middle East and the 3.2.3 rule that you cannot have a segment between the two zones

The xONEx and xGLOBnn Terms and Conditions note "up-to-date as of 1 February 2014". Anyone spot any changes?

xONEx: http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...9-d346ec820edf
xGLOBnn: http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...3-c4ded5070702

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Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 22289201)

Both document "Modified Dates" are 30/11/2013, so I don't expect there are any changes

I cannot make sense of the rules since QR joined. It appears that the Europe/Middle East continent has been divided into 2 zones and you can't go between them if starting in South Africa. Is the following route valid?

JNB-LHR-DOH-MAD-DOH-CDG-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-LHR-NBO (transit in LHR)

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Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 22292208)

Yes - Europe/Middle East has been divided into two zone (which only matter if you wish to visit the continent twice)
No - you CAN go between them if starting in South Africa - but NOT if you also wish to visit the continent twice)
No - your itinerary is not valid

If you don't visit Europe/Middle East twice, then the new rules do not apply.

Since you start in Africa and you wish to visit Europe/Middle twice, your itinerary must satisfy one of the rules quoted below.

Your itinerary does not satisfy:

3.2.1 - because the itinerary includes Sth Africa
3.2.2 - because the itinerary does not transit via the Middle East zone both ways
3.2.3 - because the itinerary does not transit via the Middle East zone for one of the ways

Suggestions:

Start from LAD instead of JNB (satisfies rule 3.2.1)
Oops redacted - does not comply because of the inter-zone flightsFinal segments HKG-DOH-NBO (satisfies 3.2.3 note that you can stopover in DOH if you wish)

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For travel originating in Africa: 

One of the following backtracks is permitted 

 

3.2.1 Africa-Europe-RTW-Europe-Africa One of the visits to Europe must be a 

transfer without stopover between Africa 

and the previous/next continent. 

Travel may not include Mauritius/South Africa 
3.2.2 Africa-Middle East-RTW-Middle East-Africa One of the visits to Middle East must be a 

transfer without stopover between Africa 

and the previous/next continent.
3.2.3 Africa-Europe-RTW-Middle East-Africa 

or 

Africa-Middle East-RTW-Europe-Africa Travel may not include any flown or surface sector 

between Europe and Middle East

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Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 22292208)

If you want those cities I think you would need to do something like:
JNB-DOH-MAD-LHR-CDG-DOH-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-DOH(transit)-NBO (or with the new rules you could also go back to JNB

What about JNB-DOH-MAD-DOH-CDG-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-LHR-NBO (transit in LHR)?
or
JNB-LHR-DOH-MAD-DOH-CDG-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-JNB ?

In general, for the 2 visits to Europe/Middle East, 1 entry in Eur/ME continent must be in the Middle East.

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Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 22305932)

Not allowed, because if you enter via Europe and return via Middle East the rules state "travel may not include any flown or surface sector between Europe and Middle East"

This applies to entering via Middle East and returning via Europe

CPT-DOH-MAD-DOH-CDG-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-JNB should be OK since there is only 1 entry to Europe/Middle East. Or ...HKG-DOHx-JNB? Right?

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Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 22316506)

CPT-DOH-MAD-DOH-CDG-JFK-(US & Asia) -HKG-JNB should be OK since there is only 1 entry to Europe/Middle East. Or ...HKG-DOHx-JNB? Right?

Both seem good IMHO

No one has mentioned this, just spotted it.
They added clarification about the SWP-EU flights counting Asia.

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Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface
eg LON-SYD/MELvv, DXB-SYD/MELvv, DOH-PER/MELvv, is considered travelling via Asia.
Continents South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East must each be counted.

and have at some point resplit Russia into Europe and Asia. For a period after S7 joined (though at least mid last year), Russia both east and west of the Urals counted as Europe. It's now been returned to Russia, west of the Urals - Europe, Russia, east of the Urals - Asia.

This is the middle east restrictions for flights to/from London. (Rule 2h)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...europe_map.gif

Each Zone and continent according to current rules
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...pse11ae355.gif
Have included South East Asia as defined in xASnn rules as it is referenced in the xONEx rules.

All the 'stans have been moved from Europe to Asia along with Russia East of the Urals