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-   -   Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/983365-changes-xonex-rule-sheet.html)

pandaperth May 5, 2014 4:07 am
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 22811405)
What about ORD-DEL? Another case of being charged for a continent not touched (in that case Europe).
Not quite right
See the first post in this old thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ly-better.html

Himeno May 5, 2014 5:24 am
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 22811405)
What about ORD-DEL? Another case of being charged for a continent not touched (in that case Europe).
The ORD-DEL flight allowed for a 2 continent trip (or 3 including southern hemisphere), fares for which don't exist. That rule was to make clear that NA-Asia-NA was allowed using that flight, but had to be charged at the nearest existing valid fare.

pandaperth Jul 1, 2014 2:06 am
New Version 1-July-2014
 
Changes I can see are:
  • they have screwed up the numbering of the rules - instead of 1, 2, 3... the numbering goes 0, 4, 5, 6... :rolleyes:
  • in addition to the usual DONE3, there is now something called an IONE3
  • it uses different booking codes to the regular DONE3 (see Rule 5); but I cannot see anything else different about it
  • some additional affiliated airlines are listed against US Airways in Rule 4(j) - but those airlines are already listed against AA
  • in Rule 4(k), which concerns only one trans-continental flight in Nth America, new East Coast cities added to the list are Charlotte, Cleveland and Pittsburgh; new West Coast city is Phoenix

headinclouds Jul 3, 2014 6:58 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23123963)
Changes I can see are:

in Rule 4(k), which concerns only one trans-continental flight in Nth America, new East Coast cities added to the list are Charlotte, Cleveland and Pittsburgh; new West Coast city is Phoenix
I have noticed that all the cities that are being added to the 1 transcon list within the USA are always more than 2000 miles. BA conspiracy? It does seem a bit silly, since one can only fly 1 round trip between city pairs. I could understand AA limiting travel on its 3-class service to 1.

Himeno Jul 8, 2014 4:27 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23123963)
Changes I can see are:
in Rule 4(k), which concerns only one trans-continental flight in Nth America, new East Coast cities added to the list are Charlotte, Cleveland and Pittsburgh; new West Coast city is Phoenix
I have found a city which, given other cities on this list, would also be on the list, and isn't. This city has a limited number of 2 sector, same flight number, flights to the other coast.
Is it likely that such a city would be added to the list in the short term?

If they've added Cleveland, how long before they add DTW and other cities to the west of CLE?
US has an ANC(-xPHX)-BOS flight (at least during northern summer). Would that count as the one transcon, or just under the "one flight to/from ANC" rule?

gwynne007 Jul 9, 2014 12:56 am
Any possibility these changes are causing the disappearance of DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5 fares from expertflyer. I've just joined and those fares aren't showing from most locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. Only DONE6's for some reason.

pandaperth Jul 9, 2014 2:00 am
Originally Posted by gwynne007 (Post 23167056)
Any possibility these changes are causing the disappearance of DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5 fares from expertflyer. I've just joined and those fares aren't showing from most locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. Only DONE6's for some reason.
Just checked expertflyer
I'm seeing DONE3s-DONE6s out of LON, HKG and JNB (no DONE3 out of J'burg)

Dr. HFH Jul 9, 2014 4:38 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23167191)
(no DONE3 out of J'burg)
Is it possible to construct a xONE3 itinerary ex-JNB/CPT? I'm having difficulty conceptualizing it.

Himeno Jul 9, 2014 4:50 am
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 23167492)
Is it possible to construct a xONE3 itinerary ex-JNB/CPT? I'm having difficulty conceptualizing it.
Not unless oneworld starts a trans Atlantic route to/from Africa.

pandaperth Jul 9, 2014 5:51 am
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 23167492)
Is it possible to construct a xONE3 itinerary ex-JNB/CPT? I'm having difficulty conceptualizing it.
Is it possible?
In a word No
And in fact the oneworld explorer rules explicitly state
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
Conceptualize it?
As Himeno said - not until a oneworld airline flies Africa-Americas (North or South)
Or, if they allowed a trans-Atlantic surface segment on ex-Africa itineraries (like they do on ex-South West Pacific itineraries)

As an aside - it IS possible to construct an ex-South West Pacific 3-continent itinerary (a trivial example is SYD-SCL,JNB-SYD)
But there is no fare for such an itinerary, so presumably one would be charged the 4-continent fare

jerry a. laska Jul 9, 2014 10:49 am
Originally Posted by gwynne007 (Post 23167056)
Any possibility these changes are causing the disappearance of DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5 fares from expertflyer. I've just joined and those fares aren't showing from most locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. Only DONE6's for some reason.
In my experience this is just an issue with EF and the GDS it pulls from. As has been discussed in other threads, if you input an airline (AA, BA, CX, etc) then the missing fares show up.

anabolism Jul 9, 2014 3:52 pm
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23167675)
Is it possible?
In a word No
And in fact the oneworld explorer rules explicitly state


Conceptualize it?
As Himeno said - not until a oneworld airline flies Africa-Americas (North or South)
Or, if they allowed a trans-Atlantic surface segment on ex-Africa itineraries (like they do on ex-South West Pacific itineraries)

As an aside - it IS possible to construct an ex-South West Pacific 3-continent itinerary (a trivial example is SYD-SCL,JNB-SYD)
But there is no fare for such an itinerary, so presumably one would be charged the 4-continent fare
I know the rules prohibit it, but couldn't a three-continent ex-Africa be Africa-Europe-Asia, such as JNB-LHR-HKG-JNB? All direct flights, no extra continent "touching."

jerry a. laska Jul 9, 2014 4:07 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 23170904)
I know the rules prohibit it, but couldn't a three-continent ex-Africa be Africa-Europe-Asia, such as JNB-LHR-HKG-JNB? All direct flights, no extra continent "touching."
Sure it is 3 continents but how are you going around the world with that routing? TC2-TC2-TC3-TC2
Looks to me that you are just circling, and not crossing both oceans and proceeding TC1-TC2-TC3 in a continuous forward direction.

(a) Travel must be via the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and only one crossing of each ocean is permitted.
(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3.

anabolism Jul 9, 2014 8:03 pm
Right, only one ocean. Brain fade.

pandaperth Jul 9, 2014 8:48 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 23170904)
I know the rules prohibit it, but couldn't a three-continent ex-Africa be Africa-Europe-Asia, such as JNB-LHR-HKG-JNB? All direct flights, no extra continent "touching."
There is a ticket for that - it's a 3-continent Circle Trip Explorer (xONEWCn - where x = L, D or A and n= 3 or 4; the fourth continent is South West Pacific)
These tickets have very similar rules and very similar prices to the Oneworld Explorer tickets


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