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Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 21689395)
So, you cannot do LHR-DXB-LHR-JNB-DOH...??
YOu would think that it would be sensible to have a clause to allow 2nd entry to Europe when transit via Middle East for travel between Africa & Asia. |
Originally Posted by Reality_Czech
(Post 21694332)
I read it so that you cannot do LHR-JNB-DOH-BOM ?
YOu would think that it would be sensible to have a clause to allow 2nd entry to Europe when transit via Middle East for travel between Africa & Asia. My reading: Bad - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-DOH-JFK... Good - ...KUL-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB-LHR-JFK... |
No "extra in-continent segments" is from 1 July 2013
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 21366507)
It no longer permits the purchase of additional segments above the four (six in N.A.) per continent. Or maybe this happened even earlier but I missed it then? ...snip...
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Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 21690670)
Just need MH to restart their Africa-South America flight or AA to start the rumored MIA-JNB.
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The most significant changes I can see that will hurt is the last sentence of 3.2.1.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED. 3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA// ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA. This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe. My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe. From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction. Also 3.2.3. No ME sector from/to Europe if you start in Africa. :eek: These things are becoming more and more restrictive and more and more expensive. :mad: |
Summary of the recent Rule Changes
We’re still waiting for the new rules to be posted on the Oneworld site; but in the meantime I have compared the previous rules (as published on the Oneworld web site on 1-October-2013) and the rules that currently show in Expert Flyer (see post #66 above)
General QR is now a member of Oneworld and so it can be used on a Oneworld Explorer Rule 1The definition of the continent Europe/Middle East has been changed to split it into two ZONES: Rule 2(e)Europe Zone – which includes Nth West Africa (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia) These zones are used in rule 2(e) to define the allowed second visit to Europe/Middle East from/to Africa Middle East Zone – which includes Nth East Africa (Libya, Egypt and Sudan) Previously a second visit to Europe/Middle East was allowed provided one of the two visits was a transfer without stopover between Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya or Uganda and another continent It will be interesting to see how the online tool handles the new ruleThis rule has changed significantly. This is my understanding of it: - Like the previous version, the new rule:
- The rule has varying new restrictions depending on where your two visits to Europe/Middle East occur:
*Correction: In the case of "One in each Zone" there is no requirement for one of them to be a transfer without stopover. I have tested this in the tool and it allows each to have stopovers (test itinerary: CPT-oLHR-oMAD-JFK-SYD-MEL-oDOH-oCAI-oDOH-CPT) |
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 21689395)
Item K has changed too:
Code:
K. 1. TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE |
Originally Posted by Moomba
(Post 21706753)
The most significant changes I can see that will hurt is the last sentence of 3.2.1.
FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA ONE OF THE FOLLOWING BACKTRACKS IS PERMITTED. 3.2.1 //AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA// ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE MUST BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA. This means that we can no longer start in SA and finish in NBO (or similar) with two passes through Europe. My current RTW now shows as invalid as I started in JNB and will finish in NBO with one stop and one transit without stop in Europe. From my understanding of this if you start in SA or MRU you will always have to go via Asia without visiting the rest of Europe in one direction of travel if you want to visit Europe the other direction. You are allowed to start in SA and finish in NBO - but the rule now is that the visits to Europe/Middle East cannot both be in the Europe Zone. (They can both be in the Middle East Zone, or you can have one in each Zone) So for example, these are OK: Start with JNB-LHR and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.3) But you cannot have:Start with JNB-DOH and end with LHR-NBO (also rule 3.2.3) Start with JNB-DOH and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.2) Start with JNB-LHR and end with LHR-NBO (violates rule 3.2.1 because it includes Sth Africa or Mauritius) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21706935)
Start with JNB-LHR and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.3) Start with JNB-DOH and end with LHR-NBO (also rule 3.2.3) Start with JNB-DOH and end with DOH-NBO (rule 3.2.2) I was reffering to normal people's definition of Europe and not the OW one that includes the Middle East (when it suits them to). ;) This also means they are forcing us to use QR on one of these sectors and BA on the other. Perhaps that was part of the deal with Willie and the QR lot? ;) (conspriacy theories abound) :D Finally it also means one less F sector on an AONEx as to my knowledge QR don't operate an F cabin to any African destination. (Happy to be proven wrong though). |
Originally Posted by Moomba
(Post 21706753)
Also 3.2.3. No ME sector from/to Europe if you start in Africa. :eek:
IF you want an itinerary "AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA" THEN(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone) "TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST" IF you want a Europe-Middle East sector in your itinerary, then have your two visits to Europe/Middle East be to/from the same ZONEFor example these are valid: JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors) DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors) |
Originally Posted by Moomba
(Post 21706961)
But these aren't two passes through Europe, which is what I am complaining about and we used to be able to do.
I was reffering to normal people's definition of Europe and not the OW one that includes the Middle East (when it suits them to). ;) This also means they are forcing us to use QR on one of these sectors and BA on the other. Perhaps that was part of the deal with Willie and the QR lot? ;) (conspriacy theories abound) :D You are allowed say LUN-LHR.....LHR-LUN Finally it also means one less F sector on an AONEx as to my knowledge QR don't operate an F cabin to any African destination. (Happy to be proven wrong though). |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21707022)
Rule 3.2.3 is stating that
IF you want an itinerary "AFRICA-EUROPE-RTW-MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA OR AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE-AFRICA" THEN(in other words your two visits to Europe/Middle East are one to the Europe Zone one to the Middle East Zone) "TRAVEL MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY FLOWN OR SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST" IF you want a Europe-Middle East sector in your itinerary, then have your two visits to Europe/Middle East be to/from the same ZONEFor example these are valid: JNB-xDOH-JFK...HKG-LHR-DOH-NBO (both visits to/from the Middle East zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors) DAR-LHR-MCT-LHR-HKG...JFK-xLHR-NBO (both visits in the Europe zone and with Europe-Middle East sectors) Also the restrictions for SA originating bookings make them much less desirable as well. Oh well it was good while it lasted. |
Originally Posted by Moomba
(Post 21707150)
It seems they have deliberately stopped people adding in mileage run type sectors to and from ME from LHR when starting and ending in Africa.
I'm busy dissecting the new rule and intend to post my thoughts shortly But for now I would say that an itinerary such as CPT-DOH-LHR-DOH-JFK...MEL-xDOH-CPT appears to be valid (cannot test it online because cannot start with a QR flight) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 21707347)
Not sure I agree with you;)
I'm busy dissecting the new rule and intend to post my thoughts shortly But for now I would say that an itinerary such as CPT-DOH-LHR-DOH-JFK...MEL-xDOH-CPT appears to be valid (cannot test it online because cannot start with a QR flight) Maybe the solution is to only do DONEs from here on in and these rules don't seem so restrictive. :) |
Fascinating following this and trying to understand all these new rules with regards Africa - based in Cape Town it makes a big difference - but a PITA that you cannot use the on-line tool for a XONEX starting on QR - even for pricing purposes.
I am hoping that the following routing will be permissible: CPT-DOH-MXP-DOH-YUL-MIA-MEX-SCL-GRU-EZE-JFK-HKG-KUL-NRT-PVG-DOH-CPT with no stop overs on the EZE-JFK-HKG and the PVG-DOH-CPT sectors. |
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