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pandaperth Feb 13, 2014 2:35 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 22340169)
Have included South East Asia as defined in xASnn rules as it is referenced in the xONEx rules.

I struggled to find find where Sth East Asia is mentioned, but finally found it in Rule 9 - Surcharges:D

BTW these surcharges are unchanged from the 30-Oct-2013 version of the rules - none of us noticed that SE Asia was there!

pandaperth Feb 13, 2014 2:42 am

The Global Explorer rule sheet has also changed
Russia East of the Urals and the stand have been moved into Asia

pandaperth Feb 13, 2014 3:24 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 22340169)
Each Zone and continent according to current rules
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...psb1bf10ff.gif

Great map Himeno

One error: Turkey is not part of the Middle East, at least as far as the xONEx rules are concerned
  • Rule 2(h) lists Turkey separately from the Middle East
  • The online tool will not let you start in Turkey and end in the Middle East

When I tried to test whether Iran was in the Middle East I got the error message:

252: This city is invalid for the oneworld Explorer itinerary. Remove this city from your itinerary.
Tried it with THR, SYS and MHD - the three cities in Iran that QR flies to (Tehran, Shiraz and Mashad)
I thought there were no UN, or other, restrictions on individuals travelling to/from Iran:confused:

Himeno Feb 13, 2014 3:42 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 22340433)
Great map Himeno

One error: Turkey is not part of the Middle East, at least as far as the xONEx rules are concerned
  • Rule 2(h) lists Turkey separately from the Middle East
  • The online tool will not let you start in Turkey and end in the Middle East

Fixed
I had been trying to just make up a map to show the Europe/Mideast zones, but I couldn't find a blank map showing the required area, so ended up just doing everything.


When I tried to test whether Iran was in the Middle East I got the error message:
Tried it with THR, SYS and MHD - the three cities in Iran that QR flies to (Tehran, Shiraz and Mashad)
I thought there were no UN, or other, restrictions on individuals travelling to/from Iran:confused:
There aren't even any cities in Iran showing up on the xonex booking map. :confused: Thought it was odd, considering that Iran was one of the 'new' countries listed to join the oneworld map when QR joined.
I listed it as middle east since nothing in the rules mentions it isn't and it is traditionally part of the mideast.

JohnAx Feb 13, 2014 11:13 am

Grandfathering?
 
Do any of the changes include words like "applicable to tickets purchased after xx/xx/xx"?

I don't think I've ever taken advantage of grandfathering but was under the impression that the rules in effect the day the ticket was sold remain in effect until it is used, the exceptions being that carriers that leave OW can no longer be used (despite being named in the valid-on line) while new members also can not be used.

Himeno Feb 13, 2014 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by JohnAx (Post 22342630)
Do any of the changes include words like "applicable to tickets purchased after xx/xx/xx"?

I don't think I've ever taken advantage of grandfathering but was under the impression that the rules in effect the day the ticket was sold remain in effect until it is used, the exceptions being that carriers that leave OW can no longer be used (despite being named in the valid-on line) while new members also can not be used.

Rules in place when ticketed remain in force until that ticket is used.

pandaperth Apr 1, 2014 7:16 am

New Version - 1-April-2014 JJ and US joining
 
There is a new version of the rule sheet - because of JJ and US joining the alliance
No other changes that I can see.

In rule 3:
JJ's booking classes are A, J and H (instead of the usual A, D and L)

Business Class passengers can travel in First on US flights in TC1
(compare to AA flights, where the exception is allowed only for services within the USA)

hillrider Apr 1, 2014 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 22627741)
Business Class passengers can travel in First on US flights in TC1
(compare to AA flights, where the exception is allowed only for services within the USA)

This has no impact: US AIrways does not have any first class service within TC1, but, like AA, it has loads of flights where business class is mis-sold as first.

pandaperth May 3, 2014 9:27 pm

New Version - 1-May-2014 - UL joining
 
There is a new version of the rule sheet dated 1-May-2014 - because of UL joining the alliance

The only other change that I can see is a minor change to the list of AA affiliate airlines in sub-clause 2(j)

Himeno May 3, 2014 11:20 pm

Given the changes QF has/is doing, I would have expected them to try to get QF coded/EK operated flights included (just as QF coded JQ flights are in many oneworld products).

pandaperth May 4, 2014 12:22 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 22806191)
Given the changes QF has/is doing, I would have expected them to try to get QF coded/EK operated flights included (just as QF coded JQ flights are in many oneworld products).

Being Perth-based, that could be a really good addition
especially given that Sydney International Airlines (aka Qantas international) will shortly no longer fly from Perth at all
(except for twice weekly summer season PER-AKL flights)

Though to be honest, if I was flying to the Middle East/Europe from Perth, I think I will fly QR - if only because it is Qantas that insists on SWP-Europe/Middle East being "via Asia", so why should I reward them.

Himeno May 4, 2014 1:38 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 22806343)
Being Perth-based, that could be a really good addition
especially given that Sydney International Airlines (aka Qantas international) will shortly no longer fly from Perth at all
(except for twice weekly summer season PER-AKL flights)

Though to be honest, if I was flying to the Middle East/Europe from Perth, I think I will fly QR - if only because it is Qantas that insists on SWP-Europe/Middle East being "via Asia", so why should I reward them.

Is it QF insisting on that?
BA still flies SWP-Europe/Middle East via Asia.
If BA pulls out of Australia and they still have that "via Asia" rule, without QF restoring any Asia-EU flights, then... ;)

pandaperth May 4, 2014 1:49 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 22806501)
Is it QF insisting on that?
BA still flies SWP-Europe/Middle East via Asia.
If BA pulls out of Australia and they still have that "via Asia" rule, without QF restoring any Asia-EU flights, then... ;)

A few years ago someone in oneworld told me it was at QF's insistence.
At the time I was querying why the on-line tool was charging for Asia even when I was trying to have a surface segment from SWP to Europe/Middle East. This was a few years before QF changed its flights to Europe to be via DXB. (the end result of my query was that the words "or by surface" got added to the rule:td::()

To address your point - my understanding is that the rule has been "if you touch it you pay for it". So BA's Europe-SWP (i.e LHR-SYD) flights do touch Asia and so you pay for Asia. But QR's DOH-PER is non-stop (as are its DOH-MEL flight and QF's DXB-SYD/MEL flights). IMHO, there is no justification for being charged for Asia on those flights.

Himeno May 4, 2014 3:34 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 22806529)
A few years ago someone in oneworld told me it was at QF's insistence.
At the time I was querying why the on-line tool was charging for Asia even when I was trying to have a surface segment from SWP to Europe/Middle East. This was a few years before QF changed its flights to Europe to be via DXB. (the end result of my query was that the words "or by surface" got added to the rule:td::()

Maybe it's time to bring it up with oneworld again.

Kiwi Flyer May 5, 2014 2:19 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 22806529)
To address your point - my understanding is that the rule has been "if you touch it you pay for it". So BA's Europe-SWP (i.e LHR-SYD) flights do touch Asia and so you pay for Asia. But QR's DOH-PER is non-stop (as are its DOH-MEL flight and QF's DXB-SYD/MEL flights). IMHO, there is no justification for being charged for Asia on those flights.

What about ORD-DEL? Another case of being charged for a continent not touched (in that case Europe).


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