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Calchas Feb 20, 2015 10:27 am


Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 24385200)
Thanks for this - I'm trying to work out where in the rules this would be a reissue - I know the taxes that should be collected would change, but it seems to me that under the rules, nothing would change. If you just changed the date here, surely you would be due to pay APD and therefore if they didn't reissue, then you're likely to have problems exiting the UK without paying all the taxes, right?

I don't mind paying the APD in this circumstance, I'm just wanting to make sure that this wouldn't trigger a ticket reissue and therefore a possible repricing.

The ticket won't be repriced (in the sense of base fare changes) on re-issue unless you have flown 0 sectors and you are changing the first flight coupon.

However the taxes/fees part may be recalculated.

No one will stop you exiting the UK for unpaid APD. ;) The airlines report their movements to the Exchequer who then demands the appropriate payment (credit cards not accepted) for the previous year. The airlines may be audited from time to time.

If the airline forgot to pass on the tax to the customer that is a matter between the airline and the customer. The liability rests with the airline not the passenger.

pandaperth Jun 19, 2015 10:56 am

New Version - 1-June-2015
 
Still comparing the new rule sheet to the previous one. Only change I've spotted so far is:

Rule 4(K) - Tampa has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed

Kiwi Flyer Jun 20, 2015 12:32 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24996491)
Rule 4(K) - Tampa has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed

dang.

Full Score Jun 20, 2015 2:56 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24996491)
.....Rule 4(K) - Tampa has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed

That's a real shame - LAX-TPA, then MIA-LAX is a combination I use a lot.

When are we going to see some changes that are actually positive for the consumer? It's a constant stream of nickel and diming negative changes, price increases, and withdrawals of First on some major routes, e.g. it's now impossible to fly F between Asia/Australia and South Africa.

pandaperth Sep 2, 2015 1:39 am

New Version - 1-September-2015
 
Only changes I've spotted so far:
  • Rule 4(K) - Atlanta has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed
  • Rule 26 -some changes to the booking codes to be used for Group Bookings

Himeno Sep 3, 2015 4:18 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 25365110)
Only changes I've spotted so far:
Rule 4(K) - Atlanta has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed

:(

Are we going to end up with any flight between PT and ET is "transcon"?

beardoc Sep 6, 2015 5:43 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 25365110)
Only changes I've spotted so far:
  • Rule 4(K) - Atlanta has been added to the list of East Coast cities from/to which only one transcontinental flight is allowed
  • Rule 26 -some changes to the booking codes to be used for Group Bookings

This is very bad for BAEC flyers that were using an xONEx to fly >2000 mile flights. With the addition of TPA and now ATL, there are very few options for >2000 mile flights in A class in the USA (therefore earning 210 TP each flight).

This makes the xONEx fare a little more challenging for BAEC Tier Point runners.

Calchas Sep 6, 2015 10:34 am


Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 25383923)
This is very bad for BAEC flyers that were using an xONEx to fly >2000 mile flights. With the addition of TPA and now ATL, there are very few options for >2000 mile flights in A class in the USA (therefore earning 210 TP each flight).

This makes the xONEx fare a little more challenging for BAEC Tier Point runners.

But the intention was always only one trans con flight. There might have been exceptions but they were accidental

If you are a serious TP runner you can still do e.g.,
HNL-PHX-ANC-DFW-LAX-MIA

at 4 lots of 210 + 60 or 900 points in the USA (with one sector left).

Dr. HFH Sep 6, 2015 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25384632)
HNL-PHX-ANC-DFW-LAX-MIA

ANC/DFW only operates for part of the year.

Calchas Sep 6, 2015 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 25385035)
ANC/DFW only operates for part of the year.

ANC-PHX is also 210

wingzing Sep 6, 2015 2:06 pm

I believe AA connecting flights with a single flight number and > 2,000 miles also give 210 tier points in F. There may be a few of these.

E.g. Boise-Boston or Boise-Baltimore.

East to spot using the AA timetable pdf

Calchas Sep 6, 2015 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by wingzing (Post 25385345)
I believe AA connecting flights with a single flight number and > 2,000 miles also give 210 tier points in F. There may be a few of these.

E.g. Boise-Boston or Boise-Baltimore.

East to spot using the AA timetable pdf

Yes direct flights with stops, with 2000 miles between the ticketed points, still give 210 points provided only one boarding pass is issued. However if there is a change of gauge it might not apply, I would have to check.

beardoc Sep 6, 2015 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25385369)
Yes direct flights with stops, with 2000 miles between the ticketed points, still give 210 points provided only one boarding pass is issued. However if there is a change of gauge it might not apply, I would have to check.

They do - I've been able to get six 210 TP sectors in the USA using >2000 direct but not nonstop flights in the past on a DONEx, multiple times. You didn't need it to be one boarding pass either - they would issue it as two, but if they were the same flight number it would credit as one >2000 mile flight. Now that's far more difficult. It's not possible to get all six flights >2000 miles now.

Change of aircraft doesn't matter - as long as it's one flight number, it will credit as one segment.

Calchas Sep 7, 2015 4:55 am


Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 25385535)
Change of aircraft doesn't matter - as long as it's one flight number, it will credit as one segment.

Are you sure about this? I have heard differently from c-w-s, unless I am getting mixed up. Maybe that only applies to US.

beardoc Sep 7, 2015 5:16 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25387521)
Are you sure about this? I have heard differently from c-w-s, unless I am getting mixed up. Maybe that only applies to US.

Yes, I'm sure. I've flown these flights fairly routinely on US Airways and American over the years, domestically. There might be a situation where you're talking about a flight with an international and domestic US leg - I haven't flown one of those. But most of the flights in the US that have multiple legs and one flight number are the same plane flying around all day on the same flight number. You just get credit for the distance from your origin and your destination, not each segment.


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