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pandaperth Nov 3, 2014 6:28 pm

New Version 1-Nov-2014
 
The only changes I've spotted are in the list of affiliated airlines on which travel is allowed - Rule 4(j)

AA Affiliates changed from

American Eagle (Operated by Envoy Airlines, Republic Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, and ExpressJet Airlines) and American Connection (operated by Chautauqua Airlines)
To

American Eagle (Operated by Envoy Airlines, Republic Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, and ExpressJet Airlines, Mesa Airlines and Compass Airlines)
JL Affiliates changed from

J-Air / JAL Express
To

J-Air

headinclouds Jan 11, 2015 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 23368452)
What about ex-MLE, now that UL and CX have flights to the Maldives? I don't recall any published fares on Expert Flyer.

Hate to reply to my own post, but I'm wondering which continent does the Maldive belong in, Asia or Africa? Sri Lanka is in Asia, so i hope that the Maldives are in Asia as well.

JohnAx Jan 11, 2015 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 24145775)
Hate to reply to my own post, but I'm wondering which continent does the Maldive belong in, Asia or Africa? Sri Lanka is in Asia, so i hope that the Maldives are in Asia as well.

MLE is in Asia. EF shows xONEx fares from there. Nothing to chase after.

pandaperth Feb 2, 2015 4:24 am

New Version - 01-Feb-2015
 
Only change I've spotted is a minor change to the list of affiliated airlines on which travel is allowed

beardoc Feb 2, 2015 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24276544)
Only change I've spotted is a minor change to the list of affiliated airlines on which travel is allowed

Positive change or negative?

pandaperth Feb 16, 2015 4:54 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24276544)
Only change I've spotted is a minor change to the list of affiliated airlines on which travel is allowed

I've spotted some changes, which may or may not be significant, in the rules about Voluntary Changes

Given that there has been some recent discussion in this forum about whether changing a transit to a stopover triggers the USD125 fee, what I think we need from a knowledgeable person is a definitive definition of "Ticketed Point"

Anyone able to provide it?

OK - the changes:

Previous wording (in rules of 1-11-2014)

16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES/REROUTING/PENALTIES
...
(a) Rebooking/Rerouting
(1) Prior to departure
(a) Changes to date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(b) Changes other than to Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(2) After Departure
(a) Date/time/oneworld carrier/inventory changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same.

New wording (in rules of 1-02-2015 )

16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES/REROUTING/PENALTIES
...
(a) Rebooking/Rerouting
(1) Prior to departure
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(b) Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(2) After Departure
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same.

So the references to "date/time/carrier changes have been removed, leaving only the references to "ticketed points remain the same"

anabolism Feb 16, 2015 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24362782)
So the references to "date/time/carrier changes have been removed, leaving only the references to "ticketed points remain the same"

Good catch.

My understanding has always been that "ticketed points" means the sequence of airports that appear in the flight coupons. If any change is made to the sequence (adding, deleting, reordering, replacing) then the $125 fee is charged. If the sequence remains unchanged, no $125 fee is charged. My reading is that the old and new text means the same thing, just worded in a simpler way: date/time/carrier changes don't affect the ticketed points, so it was perhaps redundant to word it one way in one place and the other way elsewhere.

beardoc Feb 16, 2015 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24362782)
Given that there has been some recent discussion in this forum about whether changing a transit to a stopover triggers the USD125 fee, what I think we need from a knowledgeable person is a definitive definition of "Ticketed Point"

I hate to ask, but I've been unable to find that recent discussion - can you point me to that thread? I'd be very interested.

Himeno Feb 17, 2015 1:26 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 24362782)
I've spotted some changes, which may or may not be significant, in the rules about Voluntary Changes

Given that there has been some recent discussion in this forum about whether changing a transit to a stopover triggers the USD125 fee, what I think we need from a knowledgeable person is a definitive definition of "Ticketed Point"

Anyone able to provide it?

OK - the changes:

Previous wording (in rules of 1-11-2014)


New wording (in rules of 1-02-2015 )

So the references to "date/time/carrier changes have been removed, leaving only the references to "ticketed points remain the same"

Have asked AA, BA, CX and QF for their take on this change.
Will see if anyone replies.

serfty Feb 17, 2015 3:57 am

To me it seems no real change.

These are changes to 'ticketed points': (There may be more)

-AAA-xBBB-CCC when changed to -AAA-BBB-CCC (or -AAA-oBBB-CCC-).

-AAA-xBBB-CCC to -AAA-xBBB-xDDD-CCC-

-AAA-xBBB-CCC to -AAA-xDDD-CCC-

-AAA-BBB- to -AAA-xEEE-BBB

-AAA-BBB- to -FFF-CCC-

-AAA-BBB- to -AAA-GGG-

Wasabi Tofu Feb 17, 2015 4:16 am

Then, usually stopover/transit change causes tax recalculation.
So probably, ticket reissue is needed.
Then, some airlines charge reissue fee.
CX JP ticketing office charges 3000JPY for reissue.

BTW, some airport tax exemption is applied for same day connection. So, if you change same day connection to the next day connection (but, less than 24 hours), tax is increased, but no routing change occured in terms of OWE rule (still transit).
Any experience of tax recalculation and ticket reissue fee in this case ?

creampuff Feb 17, 2015 5:17 am

If I were to change a DONE6 SYD-NRT sector from JAL to Qantas, am I correct in thinking that this would not require a ticket reissue and not require paying $125?

Calchas Feb 17, 2015 5:20 am


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 24365137)
If I were to change a DONE6 SYD-NRT sector from JAL to Qantas, am I correct in thinking that this would not require a ticket reissue and not require paying $125?

The ticket would require re-issuance. (I don't think a carrier change can be done with merely a re-validation?) Thus a re-issuance fee may apply, depending on the ticket issuer.

The question is if the 125 USD penalty fee also applies. Which it will not, because your ticketed points remain the same.

Calchas Feb 17, 2015 5:32 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 24365148)
(I don't think a carrier change can be done with merely a re-validation?)

Right. So I have looked in the IATA Ticketing Handbook, and guess what:

The revalidation "sticker" used by the airline (that used to go on paper tickets to cover up the wrong information) does include a Carrier column.

However, the revalidation "sticker" used by travel agents does not include a Carrier column.

"Note: The carrier must not be changed by travel agents." [but the operating carrier can be changed by the ticketing carrier.]

So whether you get hit by the re-issuance fee is up to the policy of the ticketing airline.

pandaperth Feb 17, 2015 6:10 am


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 24365137)
If I were to change a DONE6 SYD-NRT sector from JAL to Qantas, am I correct in thinking that this would not require a ticket reissue and not require paying $125?

Just yesterday I phoned my issuing carrier (BA) to change my MAO-MIA flight from JJ to AA. They tried to charge me the USD125 change fee, but I pointed out that the ticketed points were not changing - so they backed down. There was no service fee either.

(It was when I pulled up the rule sheet during this, that I noticed the change in wording that I posted above)

Edited to add: I have just now noticed that BA actually did reticket all my remaining flights on the DONE5 - just for the simple change of carrier on one segment! (the change was from the JJ-marketed flight number, to the AA-codeshare flight number on the same flight. Did it because (a) the on-line tool would not let me select the AA Codeshare flight, and (b) having status with AA, I get the 100% bonus miles on the AA flight number but not on the JJ flight number)


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