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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 26556790)
I think my post immediately above this one has addressed this question.
IMO the new rule is less restrictive, not more. I can price up this itinerary - CPT-xLHR-DFW-HKG-oLHR-oDOH-MPM But, again, if I change MPM to CPT then I get the error message about no flown or surface sectors between zones |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 26556688)
Looks like the on-line tool has had the new rules implemented. I am able to price up the following itinerary:Under the previous rules those four Europe-Middle East flights were not allowed.
Edited to add: But if I change the last flight to be DOH-CPT, then the tool flags the LHR-DOH as invalid new version of the rules, so I presume this is simply poor programming
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 26556688)
Will continue to investigate...
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With the addition of MAD-JNB and HKG-MAD I'd look into a DONE4 with:
JNB-MAD-DOH-GRU-USA-ASIA-HKG-EU-DOH-CPT for maximum mileage. Would I be able to keep both connections in each EU and DOH? Only the 2nd EU visit would be a stopover. Neither stop in DOH is over 24hr. |
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 26557933)
So, the take away is that if you want to have S.Africa as a starting point and use the backtrack exception, then you must go thru the ME hub of DOH at least 1 time. Can't do LHR/MAD both times. Correct?
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 26556688)
Looks like the on-line tool has had the new rules implemented.
I have been trying various itineraries in the on-line tool – and my opinion now is that the tool has not yet been updated to handle the new rule for a second transit of Europe.:( The current situation with the on-line appears to be: If one transit to/from Africa is via the Europe Zone I tried it with the flight being DOH-NBO/WDH/CPT/JNB and got errors every time.And the other transit is via the Middle East Zone Then flights between the zones are flagged as errors (which was correct under the old rules) Unless the flight to/from Africa from/to the Middle East Zone happens to be either QR’s DOH-MPM flight or the return flight MPM-DOH! So I now think the tool is unchanged, as yet, and that I uncovered an existing bug that allowed intra-zone flights when there was DOH-MPM or v.v. |
Originally Posted by JAXBA
(Post 26554697)
The ZA/Mauritius exception makes sense, at least routes to/from Asia/SWP (and soon S.America) are possible.
What is its purpose? IMHO, the rule is there because BA does not want to fly pax both to SA/Mauritius and back again (or v.v. of course). Is it justified?BA seems happy enough to fly you 1-way and let QR do the honours in the other direction. How do those flights compare to other flights that can be used for backtracking between continents? How effective is it?We’re talking about LHR-CPT/JNB and LGW-MRU (which is the longest of the three at 6,045 miles) The longest South America – North America backtracking flight is probably JFK-SCL at 5,097 miles and for Asia-South West Pacific AKL-HKG at 5,688 miles (though when QF flew it, its SYD-BOM flight could be used and that was 6,308 - so longer than LGW-MRU). So, yes the BA flights are longer than the backtracking flights for other continents, but not by a really huge margin. Well yes the rule does disallow having two long-haul BA flights to/from Southern Africa Does it have unintended consequences?IMHO yes. (meaning that I think the following are unintended consequences.) By disallowing two transits through the Europe zone, the rule does more than prevent two flights to/from Southern Africa. Suggested Wording
If the intention is to disallow two flights between the UK and Southern Africa – then say so explicitly: 4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
This wording is concise and does away with zones completely. |
Well, yes, your wording would make even more sense! I just meant I understood the reason for the exclusion, however annoying it is.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 26699499)
Wow, I never thought to do Europe-DOH-Europe in the middle like that! Impressive. I recently booked a 16-segment CPT-DOH...DOH-CPT DONE5 that flies 51,900 miles or so. Your suggestion would impressively expand that.
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Originally Posted by Viajero Millero
(Post 26559508)
With the addition of MAD-JNB and HKG-MAD I'd look into a DONE4 with:
JNB-MAD-DOH-GRU-USA-ASIA-HKG-EU-DOH-CPT for maximum mileage. Would I be able to keep both connections in each EU and DOH? Only the 2nd EU visit would be a stopover. Neither stop in DOH is over 24hr. Excuse my ignorance but how is this a four continent fare? I see Africa - Europe - South America - USA - Asia? |
Not a rule change, but a question of interpretation.
Cancellations and Refunds (1) After ticket issuance - Cancellation/No Show Forfeit 10% of ticketed fare for Economy Class fares Forfeit 5% of ticketed fare for Business/First Class fares What is the ticketed fare? Base fare without taxes/fees or the grand total fare? Rebooking/Rerouting (1) Prior to departure (a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. Start a xONEx in March 2017, and have segments for Apr 2017 as place holders. In Sept 2016, change the dates only for the Apr 2017 flights to July 2017. No change to the first 4 flights. To me it means just local service fee, no $125 change fee and no repricing. Correct? |
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 26706123)
What is the ticketed fare? Base fare without taxes/fees or the grand total fare?
Start a xONEx in March 2017, and have segments for Apr 2017 as place holders. In Sept 2016, change the dates only for the Apr 2017 flights to July 2017. No change to the first 4 flights. To me it means just local service fee, no $125 change fee and no repricing. Correct? |
Originally Posted by 747-444
(Post 26704083)
Excuse my ignorance but how is this a four continent fare?
I see Africa - Europe - South America - USA - Asia? |
Originally Posted by 747-444
(Post 26704083)
Excuse my ignorance but how is this a four continent fare?
I see Africa - Europe - South America - USA - Asia?
Originally Posted by Viajero Millero
(Post 26708512)
The way oneworld sees continents for RTW applications, North and South America count as two separate ones.
That's Africa, Europe, South America, North America, Asia. It's a DONE5, not a DONE4 as you suggested. |
Right! My bad.
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