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pbd456 Sep 6, 2017 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 28739146)
what is the actual rule? it seems GDS should be the authority?

https://www.oneworld.com/documents/1...9-d346ec820edf

the new rule is up...

Calchas Sep 6, 2017 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 28784213)

I don't usually read the PDF so forgive me but ....
10. PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
Add-ons not permitted
Combinations with other fares not permitted
I thought side trips were permitted with no restrictions?

wandering_fred Sep 6, 2017 8:08 pm

I suspect the intent is that other tickets should not be combined in the same PNR as the xONEx ticket. Obviously as separate tickets the restrictions are the now limited through checking of luggage and protection in times of irregular operations.

Happy wandering (as long as you don't need to through check)

Fred

Calchas Sep 7, 2017 12:10 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 28786050)
I suspect the intent is that other tickets should not be combined in the same PNR as the xONEx ticket. Obviously as separate tickets the restrictions are the now limited through checking of luggage and protection in times of irregular operations.

Happy wandering (as long as you don't need to through check)

Fred

It used to be possible to include side trips on the same ticket. I never did this, as using one of your sixteen sectors towards a separate fare would be madness. But I remember it was possible.

JAXBA Sep 7, 2017 8:00 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 28786639)
It used to be possible to include side trips on the same ticket.

That seems to ring a bell but I'm not sure either. The oldest PDF I could find looking quickly, was Apr 2016, which has the same wording.


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 28786050)
I suspect the intent is that other tickets should not be combined in the same PNR as the xONEx ticket.

That wouldn't be a fare combination on the ticket though. There isn't a restriction on multiple tickets within one PNR, not for oneworld fare products anyway, only system limitations (actual and desisgned).

Wasabi Tofu Sep 7, 2017 8:27 am


Originally Posted by JAXBA (Post 28787749)
That seems to ring a bell but I'm not sure either. The oldest PDF I could find looking quickly, was Apr 2016, which has the same wording.

I found Feb 2009 version. It has the following wording.


10. PERMITTED COMBINATIONS

Add-ons not permitted
Combinations with other fares not permitted

Calchas Sep 7, 2017 12:06 pm

This is at odds with the GDS: LONLON BA DONE3 has the following:

Code:

COMBINATIONS       
    SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT
    PERMITTED.
    END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH
    NO RESTRICTIONS.

I knew I wasn't (entirely) mad. :D

pbd456 Sep 14, 2017 10:32 pm

have anyone re-routed under the new rule since the new rule was posted on oneworld website again?

both QR and CX claimed that the rule wont allow the 2 stops in Asia (but it was before the new rule was posted again on oneworld website.)

headinclouds Sep 17, 2017 10:40 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 28817633)
have anyone re-routed under the new rule since the new rule was posted on oneworld website again?

both QR and CX claimed that the rule wont allow the 2 stops in Asia (but it was before the new rule was posted again on oneworld website.)

I believe that this is a moot point because the rules in effect at the time of the purchase are the ones that apply. Calling Calchas & pandperth. I would love to take advantage of the new rules regarding N.Am entries, but the down side is that the fare may be redone at today's rates !!! A big no-no for the ex-CAI fares that everyone is currently using.

Calchas Sep 17, 2017 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 28825908)
I believe that this is a moot point because the rules in effect at the time of the purchase are the ones that apply. Calling Calchas & pandperth.

Well the consensus was that while officially the old rules ought to be used, in practice that is not the case for xONEx fares. I assume this is why pbd456 was seeking reports... :)

pandaperth Sep 17, 2017 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 28825908)
I believe that this is a moot point because the rules in effect at the time of the purchase are the ones that apply. Calling Calchas & pandperth. I would love to take advantage of the new rules regarding N.Am entries, but the down side is that the fare may be redone at today's rates !!! A big no-no for the ex-CAI fares that everyone is currently using.

I have no direct experience of this. And my (maybe faulty) memory is that the fare rules in place at the time of purchase remain in effect for the entirety of the ticket. (IIRC this was in the context of an airline leaving Oneworld, but if you already had a flight booked with that airline, then that was still honoured.)

The barrack-room lawyer in me says that this must be the case - the contract between a pax and an airline essentially consists of the fare rules and the general conditions of carriage. For there to be certainty in the contract, these should remain on effect for the duration of the contracted service, in other for the duration of the ticket.
If a pax could request/demand the right to take advantage of a favourable rule change, then the airlines would in turn demand that unfavourable rule changes be enforced.

Calchas Sep 18, 2017 2:25 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 28827393)
I have no direct experience of this. And my (maybe faulty) memory is that the fare rules in place at the time of purchase remain in effect for the entirety of the ticket. (IIRC this was in the context of an airline leaving Oneworld, but if you already had a flight booked with that airline, then that was still honoured.)

The barrack-room lawyer in me says that this must be the case - the contract between a pax and an airline essentially consists of the fare rules and the general conditions of carriage. For there to be certainty in the contract, these should remain on effect for the duration of the contracted service, in other for the duration of the ticket.
If a pax could request/demand the right to take advantage of a favourable rule change, then the airlines would in turn demand that unfavourable rule changes be enforced.

Yes this is correct from the IATA ticketing procedures ("use the fares in effect at the time the ticket was originally issued") for all ticket reissues.

But it is not universally applied when reissuing xONEx fares, probably because changes are done by hand.

thois Sep 22, 2017 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by jbalmuth (Post 28723060)
I'm curious whether the itinerary (for which QF agreed to use the new fare rules) was ticketed prior to Aug 1, 2017.

Yes, it was done prior that, the ticket was originally issued in 2016 August. Totally forgot to answer as I was busy travelling with that RTW. But if it still interests someone to get recent data points.

As in the previous answers, in my experience, practice have been to use the newest rules, but YMMV.

pandaperth Sep 23, 2017 7:31 pm

2017-Sep-05 New Version of the Rule Sheet
 
There is a new version of the rule sheet on the OW web site

BUT I cannot spot any changes from the version published on Aug 5th:confused:
Can anyone else spot any changes?

Calchas Sep 25, 2017 4:24 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 28851411)
There is a new version of the rule sheet on the OW web site

BUT I cannot spot any changes from the version published on Aug 5th:confused:
Can anyone else spot any changes?

I diff'd the old rules with the new from ExpertFlyer. The only change is as follows

Before:

Code:

    TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE /
    MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER OR BY
    SURFACE EG.LON-SYD/MEL V.V. DXB-SYD/MEL V.V. DOH-
    ADL/MEL/PER/SYD V.V.
IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING VIA
    ASIA. CONTINENTS SOUTH WEST PACIFIC / ASIA AND
    EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST EACH BE COUNTED.

After:
Code:

    TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE /
    MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER OR BY
    SURFACE EG.LON/DOH/DXB-ADL/CBR/MEL/PER/SYD/AKL
    V.V.
IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING VIA
    ASIA CONTINENTS. SOUTH WEST PACIFIC / ASIA AND
    EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST EACH BE COUNTED.

As I read that as a non-exhaustive list of examples, I think it has no material effect.

The changed full stop "ASIA. CONTINENTS" -> "ASIA CONTINENTS." is surely a typo.


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