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-   -   Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/983365-changes-xonex-rule-sheet.html)

pandaperth Feb 5, 2018 2:46 pm
Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 29381302)
Is it just something I missed or has a very large MPM routing table been added to the xONEx fares? I was looking at the routing page in EF for the xONEx fare ex-JNB and discovered a massive MPM table with 499 options!
I rarely look at the RTW routing tables in EF, so I had not seen this before
I checked on the historical routing rules, and they were there back in Feb-2017
I have no idea what they mean. Perhaps [MENTION=648695]Calchas[/MENTION] or [MENTION=204888]JAXBA[/MENTION] can explain
As an example, here is the the first of the 499 items:
1. ZA-*O-210/220-*O-210/220-*O-210/220-*O-210/220-*O-210/220-
*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/
160-*O-*PA-*O-*PA-*O-*PA-170-*O-001/002-*O-*XU-*O-*XU-*O-
*XU-*O-*XU-*O-*XU-*O-340-*O-ZA
I also checked the routing rule for the Global Explorer (which IS an MPM-based ticket) and its routing rule is quite simple:
/ROUND THE WORLD/
MUST NOT EXCEED MPM 34000

ernestnywang Feb 6, 2018 5:44 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29383111)
I rarely look at the RTW routing tables in EF, so I had not seen this before
I checked on the historical routing rules, and they were there back in Feb-2017
I have no idea what they mean. Perhaps [MENTION=648695]Calchas[/MENTION] or [MENTION=204888]JAXBA[/MENTION] can explain
As an example, here is the the first of the 499 items:

I also checked the routing rule for the Global Explorer (which IS an MPM-based ticket) and its routing rule is quite simple:
I only know that *O means oneworld airlines. I believe the numbers represent clusters of countries, but I don't know what each number means. GDSs are in the process of making autoprice possible for oneworld RTW tickets. The systems need to be able to validate that the booked itinerary is in accordance with RTW rules, so these are instructions for the pricing system to read. Perhaps xGLOBxx doesn't have everything in the routing written yet. Many other components in the fare rule also dictate what is possible and what not, so routing is just one of them. MPM means max permitted mileage.

skunker Feb 6, 2018 12:37 pm
Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 29385180)
I only know that *O means oneworld airlines. I believe the numbers represent clusters of countries, but I don't know what each number means. GDSs are in the process of making autoprice possible for oneworld RTW tickets. The systems need to be able to validate that the booked itinerary is in accordance with RTW rules, so these are instructions for the pricing system to read. Perhaps xGLOBxx doesn't have everything in the routing written yet. Many other components in the fare rule also dictate what is possible and what not, so routing is just one of them. MPM means max permitted mileage.
Yes, *O is for oneworld. Sabre instituted auto pricing for RTW fares years ago for Sky Team, then Star and finally oneworld last year.

EDIT: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...l#post24590514

Calchas Feb 6, 2018 3:28 pm
Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 29385180)
GDSs are in the process of making autoprice possible for oneworld RTW tickets. The systems need to be able to validate that the booked itinerary is in accordance with RTW rules, so these are instructions for the pricing system to read.
I agree

beardoc Feb 17, 2018 11:36 pm
Ah, good - hopefully this means I can keep on doing my 60,000 mile DONE4 itineraries!

anabolism Feb 21, 2018 6:30 am
Is there a way to take advantage of rule (4)(e)(2) to add an extra visit to Asia (or another continent) on a DONE5 such as JNB-DOH-ADL-SYD-SIN-HKG-DFW-SAN-DFW-JFK-LAX-LHR-LIS-MAD-DOH-CPT?

Code:
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(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and
Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

pandaperth Feb 21, 2018 7:03 am
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29441618)
Is there a way to take advantage of rule (4)(e)(2) to add an extra visit to Asia (or another continent) on a DONE5 such as JNB-DOH-ADL-SYD-SIN-HKG-DFW-SAN-DFW-JFK-LAX-LHR-LIS-MAD-DOH-CPT?

Code:
4
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and
Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Your itinerary is a valid one
And in fact you can actually visit Asia twice (not just 'fly over it' DOH-ADL), such as having a stop in Hong Kong between DOH and ADL
JNB-DOH-HKG-ADL-SYD-SIN-HKG-DFW-SAN-DFW-JFK-LAX-LHR-LIS-MAD-DOH-CPT

anabolism Feb 21, 2018 7:25 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 28695746)
Thanks to Himeno for alerting us the new version, in another thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28691021-post2103.html

In addition the inclusion of AA premium economy booking class, which Himeno spotted, I have spotted the following (IMHO significant) change:

Rule 4(e), which concerns allowed second visits to continents, has been rewritten

Previous Version:New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
  1. Two permitted in North America.
  2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
  3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
    If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Discussion:
  1. The wording is simpler, especially for dot point #3
  2. The words "when one is a transfer without stopover" have been removed. Therefore stopovers are now allowed on both visits to the continent
  3. The second dot point now states that one of the two visits must be for travel SWP-Europe/Middle East. Previously that restriction was not there (I personally have had a second visit which was a transfer without stopover between Nth America and SWP). So this previously valid itinerary would now be invalid ...Africa-Asia-SWP-Asia-Nth America...
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29441705)
Your itinerary is a valid one
And in fact you can actually visit Asia twice (not just 'fly over it' DOH-ADL), such as having a stop in Hong Kong between DOH and ADL
JNB-DOH-HKG-ADL-SYD-SIN-HKG-DFW-SAN-DFW-JFK-LAX-LHR-LIS-MAD-DOH-CPT
Cool, thank you! Is there a way to add the second Asia visit near the end (after LAX-LHR)? I guess not, since I wouldn't be stopping in Asia to/from Southwest Pacific.

pandaperth Feb 21, 2018 1:56 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29441785)
Cool, thank you! Is there a way to add the second Asia visit near the end (after LAX-LHR)? I guess not, since I wouldn't be stopping in Asia to/from Southwest Pacific.
No. That would violate two rules (at least)
  1. The second visit would have to be in conjunction with travel from Europe/Middle East to South West Pacific (or v.v.); and your routing would be Europe/Middle East - Asia - Africa
  2. Rule regarding continuous travel Eastbound or Westbound
    4(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3.
    Your itinerary would be TC2->TC3->TC1->TC2->TC3->TC2

pyffii Mar 6, 2018 12:27 am
Hi...my proposed itinerary is HND-LHR-ATH-LHR-INN-LHR-DFW-MIA-LIR-MIA-JFK-HKG-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-HND....From my reading of the rules I think its legal to start in Tokyo (departure to Europe ) and then fly to HKG from JFK before deparing to MEL ( SW Pacific )...The one world tool says this itinerary is valid but wont price it unsurprisingly !!!....Can someone please confirm the validity of this itinerary....thanks in advance

christep Mar 6, 2018 12:46 am
I believe you may have difficulty getting that ticketed, although others have succeeded in the past with similar stuff if HKG is just a transit. I don't recall reports of success in such cases if HKG is a stopover, but I'm a bit rusty on these things.

ajnaro Mar 6, 2018 6:04 am
Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 29490799)

Hi...my proposed itinerary is HND-LHR-ATH-LHR-INN-LHR-DFW-MIA-LIR-MIA-JFK-HKG-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-HND....
Looks ok to me. Why don't you call the AA rtw desk and see what they say. I just recently issued a rtw from HND with them and they were very efficient and helpful.

anabolism Mar 6, 2018 7:35 am
Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 29490799)
Hi...my proposed itinerary is HND-LHR-ATH-LHR-INN-LHR-DFW-MIA-LIR-MIA-JFK-HKG-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-HND....From my reading of the rules I think its legal to start in Tokyo (departure to Europe ) and then fly to HKG from JFK before deparing to MEL ( SW Pacific )...The one world tool says this itinerary is valid but wont price it unsurprisingly !!!....Can someone please confirm the validity of this itinerary....thanks in advance
Likely I'm missing something. To me, the rule
Two [intercontinental departures and intercontinental arrivals] permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East
requires that the travel between Australia and Europe not go through the Americas.

ernestnywang Mar 6, 2018 8:20 am
Received the following update from TPECX regarding oneworld RTW or circle trip products:

- QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv) 例[e. g.]:

QF011

國際線[international]
SYD-JFK
適用[applicable]


國內線[domestic]
LAX-JFK
不適用[not applicable]
I have not been following all the rule updates, but I believe in the past QF's LAX-JFK or v. v. can be booked as long as a QF flight to or from Australia also exists in the itinerary. Now it seems only SYD-(LAX)-JFK or v. v. is bookable as one segment.

pandaperth Mar 6, 2018 9:01 am
2018-Mar-05 New Version of the Rule Sheet
 
2018-Mar-05 New Version of the Rule Sheet

@ernestnywang just beat me to this :)

Rule 4(j) has been amended

Previously:
4(j) Travel on any AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M codeshare service operated by AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M is permitted.

Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).

Additionally...
Now:
4(j) Travel on any AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M codeshare service operated by AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M is permitted.

Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).

QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)

Additionally...
The only other change found by diffchecker is that Air Wisconsin has been dropped as an affiliate airline of AA


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