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Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 27014660)
The old AA ORD-DEL counted as including Europe even though the plane never landed there and you couldn't go back.
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27014704)
It is a moot point now as the ORD-DEL flight is but a distant memory
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27014704)
It is a moot point now as the ORD-DEL flight is but a distant memory
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html |
2016-Aug-04 New Version of the Rule Sheet
The new rule sheet has now been published on the Oneworld web site
The only change I can se is that posted by JAXBA on August 1st - namely that Clause 4(h) has had these words removed *segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3. |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27019176)
The new rule sheet has now been published on the Oneworld web site
The only change I can se is that posted by JAXBA on August 1st - namely that Clause 4(h) has had these words removed Yay! |
WHAT THE *#@%!!! - AA does it its way!
So the new fare rules have been published on the Oneworld web site
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING) 4E. ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS - 1. TWO PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA WHEN ONE IS A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER. 2. TWO PERMITTED IN ASIA WHEN ONE IS A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER OR ON DIRECT SINGLE PLANE SERVICE BETWEEN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE / MIDDLE EAST. 3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST A. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA //AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA// - ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. B. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN AFRICA //EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST// - IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA. --- --- H.A MINIMUM OF 3 AND MAXIMUM OF 16 SEGMENTS INCLUDING SURFACE SEGMENTS BETWEEN ANY 2 AIRPORTS ARE PERMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY. FREE FLIGHT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH CONTINENT ARE LIMITED AS FOLLOWS - AFRICA 4 ASIA 4 EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST 4 - NOT MORE THAN 2 OF WHICH MAY BE BETWEEN THE UK AND ALBANIA/ALGERIA/ BULGARIA/CROATIA/CYPRUS/GREECE/LIBYA/ISRAEL/ MIDDLE EAST/MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA WEST OF THE URALS/TUNISIA/TURKEY/UKRAINE. SEGMENTS BETWEEN MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE ARE NOT PERMITTED IF TRAVEL INCLUDES AFRICA AND THE ITINERARY UTILISES THE BACKTRACKING PROVISIONS IN PARAGRAPH FL.E.3.A AND E.3.B NORTH AMERICA 6 SOUTH AMERICA 4 SOUTHWEST PACIFIC 4 Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B" So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27008826)
I obviously have too much time on my hands, now that the feeding frenzy that was the ex-MPM fares is over:)
Just been checking on the progress of the implementation of the new rules referred to by JAXBA
AB, QR, RJ and UL are now moved to the HAVE updated list So we are still waiting on BA, AY, MH and LA to change their fare rulesAA is also moved, BUT its fare rules are different* from the rest * I have checked the fare rules of all the airlines that have updated - except for AA, they are all the same, in other words they have removed all reference to restrictions on Europe-Middle East flights due to backtracking |
AA not filing the same rules could mean that unless it was ticketed by AA, the RTW desk will not touch it. Or if they do, they will use AA's rules and not the issuing carrier's rules. Is that possible? Another example of the 'seamless' oneworld travel experience.
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 27019617)
AA not filing the same rules could mean that unless it was ticketed by AA, the RTW desk will not touch it. Or if they do, they will use AA's rules and not the issuing carrier's rules. Is that possible? Another example of the 'seamless' oneworld travel experience.
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Originally Posted by pbd456
(Post 27019627)
other carriers are not supposed to take over a ticket unless there is a strong reason to, like irregular operation or maybe upgrade via mileage/swu. i believe aa complimentary upgrade does not require it to be reissued.
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Originally Posted by pbd456
(Post 27019627)
other carriers are not supposed to take over a ticket unless there is a strong reason to, like irregular operation or maybe upgrade via mileage/swu. i believe aa complimentary upgrade does not require it to be reissued.
Who knows what rules they would apply |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27019324)
So the new fare rules have been published on the Oneworld web site
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING) My emphasis Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B" So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h) I checked Amadeus to see how QF and AA had it filed and of course QF doesn't have the para 4(h) line, as we knew. I also compared paras 3(a)(b) for differences and, well, spot the difference: QF filed: Code:
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EASTAA filed: Code:
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Originally Posted by pbd456
(Post 27019627)
other carriers are not supposed to take over a ticket unless there is a strong reason to, like irregular operation or maybe upgrade via mileage/swu. i believe aa complimentary upgrade does not require it to be reissued.
Especially RTWs and alliance fare products. They can, they're allowed, they don't need extra permission, it's an internal alliance rule in the oneworld Ticketing Agreement. Now which rules they apply when they do so is another matter... |
Originally Posted by JAXBA
(Post 27020141)
Any oneworld member is allowed to reissue any ticket with a published fare issued by any other oneworld member.
Especially RTWs and alliance fare products. They can, they're allowed, they don't need extra permission, it's an internal alliance rule in the oneworld Ticketing Agreement. Now which rules they apply when they do so is another matter... |
Originally Posted by pbd456
(Post 27020254)
yes. but cx told me they wont unless there is.a good reason to. we asked cx to reissue the qf ticket but cx agent that i talked to refuse. as a rule, it is allowed, whether it is being done is another matter. i am thinking to apply mileage upgrade on a cx segment and hope cx to reissue and then un apply the upgrade.
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