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pandaperth Dec 1, 2016 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27553487)
Interestingly, though, the following remains in the rules:
Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface
eg LON-SYD/MELvv, DXB-SYD/MELvv, DOH-ADL/MEL/PER/SYDvv, is considered travelling via Asia.
Continents South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East must each be counted
So doesn't that actually contradict the whole 'xONEx from the southern hemisphere is now possible' spruik?

A southern hemisphere 3-continent itinerary would:
- include Africa, South America and South West Pacific, and
- exclude Europe/Middle East, North America and Asia

The rule about flights between SWP and Europe/Middle having to include Asia in effect excludes the 3-continent possibility of SWP-Europe/Middle East- Sth Am or Nth AM - SWP

danger Dec 1, 2016 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27553547)
A southern hemisphere 3-continent itinerary would:
- include Africa, South America and South West Pacific, and
- exclude Europe/Middle East, North America and Asia

The rule about flights between SWP and Europe/Middle having to include Asia in effect excludes the 3-continent possibility of SWP-Europe/Middle East- Sth Am or Nth AM - SWP

Gotchya. So the most basic of which would be JNB-GRU-AKL-SYD-JNB.

Himeno Dec 2, 2016 3:00 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27554346)
Gotchya. So the most basic of which would be JNB-GRU-AKL-SYD-JNB.

Yes. It's only possible because of the new JJ flight to South Africa.
It would have been possible when MH joined, had they not pulled out of their KUL-JNB-GRU route just before they joined the alliance.

Unless AA started a Africa-US flight, SWP-Africa-SA is the only option for a southern hemisphere xONE3.

Calchas Dec 2, 2016 3:05 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 27555014)
Unless AA started a Africa-US flight, SWP-Africa-SA is the only option for a southern hemisphere xONE3.

Forgive me but why would AA starting an Africa-US flight allow an xONE3 in the southern hemisphere? Is there a slither of US land below the equator?

pandaperth Dec 2, 2016 4:22 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27555028)
Forgive me but why would AA starting an Africa-US flight allow an xONE3 in the southern hemisphere? Is there a slither of US land below the equator?

LOL
American Samoa perhaps?

But I guess what it's really about is a 3-continent itinerary that includes southern hemisphere continents. The JJ GRU-JNB flight makes this possible now, as would a Nth Am-Africa flight (and so an itinerary such Africa-Nth Am- SWP/Asia - Africa)

Calchas Dec 2, 2016 4:32 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27555182)
But I guess what it's really about is a 3-continent itinerary that includes southern hemisphere continents.



^ :D Now I get it.

wandering_fred Dec 2, 2016 5:57 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27554346)
Gotchya. So the most basic of which would be JNB-GRU-AKL-SYD-JNB.

Until we see a GRU-AKL or SYD non-stop the least number of coupons would be for

JNB-GRU-SCL-AKL-SYD-JNB

Wonder what the exJNB LONE3 will price as....

But I'm wandering

Fred

Calchas Dec 2, 2016 6:01 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 27555395)
Until we see a GRU-AKL or SYD non-stop the least number of coupons would be for

JNB-GRU-SCL-AKL-SYD-JNB

Wonder what the exJNB LONE3 will price as....

But I'm wandering

Fred

SCL-SYD is sold as a direct flight with a stop in AKL, so you can remove one coupon if you're playing anti-FlyerTalk :)

pandaperth Dec 2, 2016 6:02 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 27555395)
Until we see a GRU-AKL or SYD non-stop the least number of coupons would be for

JNB-GRU-SCL-AKL-SYD-JNB

Wonder what the exJNB LONE3 will price as....

But I'm wandering

Fred

Beep - wrong Fred
No need for AKL in the itinerary - QF and LA both fly SCL-SYD direct (LA's flight is via AKL, QF's flight is non-stop)

Edited to add:
I see Calchas beat me to it
An anti-FT proposition indeed - to minimise the number of segments in an itinerary - how awful!

stex Dec 2, 2016 1:54 pm

...of interest for the new southern hemisphere xONEx product:

LAN will be starting SCL - MEL nonstop 3 weekly in October 2017
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1349041

rens Dec 2, 2016 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 27555395)
Until we see a GRU-AKL or SYD non-stop the least number of coupons would be for

JNB-GRU-SCL-AKL-SYD-JNB

Wonder what the exJNB LONE3 will price as....

But I'm wandering

Fred

The news release describing the XONE3 Southern Hemisphere RTW stated that prices ex JNB are ZAR21,560 for L and ZAR80,460 for D.
However, it seems that no airline has entered that fare yet, at least per expert flyer. The fares reported by Expertflyer for Australia are as stated in the news release. So the above seem likely to be accurate.
Curious to see if the L price ex MPM will be even lower

wandering_fred Dec 2, 2016 6:59 pm

Yes I admit that I should have left AKL out of the example of the minimal "southern" DONE3.

Mea culpa.

Sometimes it is better to avoid late night wandering

Fred

PS I'm gald to see your guys are "on your toes". Any of you willing to take on the education of the QR back office people in Melbourne?

Calchas Dec 3, 2016 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27558142)
Curious to see if the L price ex MPM will be even lower

MPM has no oneworld connection to any southern hemisphere airport—only QR to DOH, afaik. Also, unless I'm mistaken, BA*MN doesn't serve anywhere else in Mozambique—and they would be the only people likely to operate such a flight.

ajnaro Dec 4, 2016 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27561794)
MPM has no oneworld connection to any southern hemisphere airport—only QR to DOH, afaik. Also, unless I'm mistaken, BA*MN doesn't serve anywhere else in Mozambique—and they would be the only people likely to operate such a flight.

As far as I know, BA does not fly to MPM or anywhere else in Moçambique.

Calchas Dec 4, 2016 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 27565666)
As far as I know, BA does not fly to MPM or anywhere else in Moçambique.

Yes we agree. They (Comair in BA colours) flew MPM-JNB for a while in 2013/2014? but the route did not do well.


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