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-   -   Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/983365-changes-xonex-rule-sheet.html)

ernestnywang Mar 6, 2018 10:11 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29491993)

The only other change found by diffchecker is that Air Wisconsin has been dropped as an affiliate airline of AA
This is also the only other update from TPECX.

anabolism Mar 7, 2018 5:09 pm
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
My reading is that QF operated flights within the U.S. can be booked as a connection with a QF coded flight between Australia and the U.S. So, QF operated JFK-LAX connecting to AA operated LAX-SYD sold as QF would be OK, with a connection up to 24 hours.

ernestnywang Mar 7, 2018 11:00 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29497892)
My reading is that QF operated flights within the U.S. can be booked as a connection with a QF coded flight between Australia and the U.S. So, QF operated JFK-LAX connecting to AA operated LAX-SYD sold as QF would be OK, with a connection up to 24 hours.
Technically doable using long sell. I couldn't get availability display to display this "connection." However, from my reading it does not seem like this is allowed by the new rule.

anabolism Mar 8, 2018 8:09 am
Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 29491820)
However, from my reading it does not seem like this is allowed by the new rule.
On second thought, I think your reading is correct. The wording "a through flight segment" likely means only one segment.

pbd456 Mar 29, 2018 4:54 pm
QF is fined by DoT for selling JFK LAX sector in conjunction to QF codeshare on LAX PPT.

Calchas Mar 29, 2018 5:31 pm
Oopsie

anabolism Mar 29, 2018 5:41 pm
Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 29582216)
QF is fined by DoT for selling JFK LAX sector in conjunction to QF codeshare on LAX PPT.
Why is that not permitted? I can see QF not being permitted to sell JFK-LAX on its own, but why not in conjunction with a QF coded international flight?

pbd456 Mar 29, 2018 5:42 pm
Qantas Is Being Fined For Illegally Selling Tickets On Their New York To Los Angeles Flight - One Mile at a Time

Viajero Millero Mar 29, 2018 5:47 pm
From what the document says, because the flight LAX-PPT was operated by a different airline. Meaning on paper Qantas was selling JFK-LAX on its own (metal).

anabolism Mar 29, 2018 5:53 pm
I just happened to pull up the fare rules in EF for a DONE5 ex-NRT on JL (likely these are identical for all xONEx, of course), and noticed a few things:
CHANGES

BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 125.00 FOR REISSUE.
...
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REBOOKING
-------------------------------------------------
REBOOKING PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
REMAIN THE SAME. IF THE DATE IF THE FIRST FLIGHT
COUPON IS BEING CHANGED AND THE FARE HAS
INCREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW FARE BE CHARGED.
IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS DECREASED SINCE TICKET
ISSUANCE NO REFUND WILL APPLY.
...
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 125.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REISSUE.
...
AFTER DEPARTURE
A. CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS PERMITTED AT A
CHARGE OF USD125.00 PER TRANSACTION.
B. NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT A CHARGE OF USD
125.00.
C. IF THE REROUTING RESULTS IN A CHANGE TO THE
TOTAL TICKETED MILES THE TICKET SHALL BE
RECALCULATED.
...
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REBOOKING
-------------------------------------------------
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
REMAIN THE SAME.
To my reading, this sounds like any ticket reissue, even for a change to carrier/date/time, costs $125. I realize that many airlines do a revalidation for such changes, but some (such as AA) reissue for everything. Also, in a case where D isn't immediately available on a flight but becomes available later, my understanding is that requires a reissue, as cabin changes can't be handled with a revalidation. It says that changes "are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same," but "are permitted" doesn't mean "for free."

Also, what does it mean that "if the rerouting results in a change to the total ticketed miles the ticket shall be recalculated?"

anabolism Mar 29, 2018 6:00 pm
Thanks for the link, it explains the DOT rationale, which seems incorrect to my non-legal mind. I don't see why an international codeshare shouldn't count.

allset2travel Mar 29, 2018 9:00 pm
Wow, this is a biggie!I changed (reissued) my itinerary after the first leg 9 times during my last DONE4.I'd better plot it out more carefully next time before pulling the trigger.

pbd456 Mar 29, 2018 9:26 pm
Originally Posted by allset2travel (Post 29582705)
Wow, this is a biggie!I changed (reissued) my itinerary after the first leg 9 times during my last DONE4.I'd better plot it out more carefully next time before pulling the trigger.
it is not clear if it is meaning that.

anabolism Mar 30, 2018 6:10 am
Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 29582745)
it is not clear if it is meaning that.
Exactly, it is not clear. My guess is that the rules on the OneWorld site are what is intended, and the fare rules in the GDS are poorly written, but I wonder why the rules from the OneWorld web site were not copied as the GDS fare rules? I also wonder if a travel agent or airline might use the GDS rules and might charge $125 for each reissue?

Calchas Mar 30, 2018 3:40 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29582340)
Also, in a case where D isn't immediately available on a flight but becomes available later, my understanding is that requires a reissue, as cabin changes can't be handled with a revalidation.
Cabin is not a concept that appears on a ticket. A booking code may be changed by a revalidation. See Resolution 727.

but "are permitted" doesn't mean "for free."
It does unless the rules say otherwise.


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