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pandaperth Apr 15, 2019 1:50 pm

2019-Mar-15 New Version of the Rule Sheet
 
I usually use diffchecker to find the changes, but for some reason this time diffchecker flags pretty much the whole document as being different (which it isn't)

So I scanned through the new version and the only change I've spotted is the removal of the highlighted words below:

4(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense.
Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted.
EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced.

beardoc May 30, 2019 9:56 pm

Are things much the same coming up for June 2019, pandaperth?

pandaperth Jun 5, 2019 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by beardoc (Post 31155743)
Are things much the same coming up for June 2019, pandaperth?

I dunno
I don't have any insider information - I merely periodically check the on-line rule sheet for changes
However, it appears that @anabolism does have insider information - see this post

ETA
and as of this morning (June 6th) the rule sheet is unchanged
(changes usually occur around the start of the month)

mjack99 Jun 7, 2019 10:50 am

Is it really D class
 
I have tried several times lately to book RTW tickets and both oneworld.com and expertflyer have shown availability in D class but BA have not agreed. I guess there is a suitably complicated reason for this but BA aren't forthcoming. Can anyone explain or point me to a post that will?

Calchas Jun 7, 2019 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by mjack99 (Post 31180073)
I have tried several times lately to book RTW tickets and both oneworld.com and expertflyer have shown availability in D class but BA have not agreed. I guess there is a suitably complicated reason for this but BA aren't forthcoming. Can anyone explain or point me to a post that will?

* Married segments
* Availability differs at different points of sale
* Agent confusion

Can you be more specific about your itinerary?

Dr. HFH Jun 7, 2019 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 31180849)
* Married segments
* Availability differs at different points of sale
* Agent confusion

Don't forget possible codeshare issues.

mjack99 Jun 8, 2019 1:24 am

Thanks for the comments. So specially this flight. Wanting to fly QF JFK to MEL via LAX and they say this segment is not available in D when Expertflyer says D class is available. Now, thanks to your help I think I see why. I can't make POS Belgium in Experflyer so I used France and it shows as D0 but US POS shows as D9. I guess that then is the issue.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bc844e75eb.png

wandering_fred Jun 8, 2019 6:56 am

It may also be a "married segment" issue in that QF apparently requires a QF flight transPacific in order to book QF12.

Just wandering
Fred

Dr. HFH Jun 8, 2019 7:59 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 31182469)
It may also be a "married segment" issue in that QF apparently requires a QF flight transPacific in order to book QF12.

Exactly. QF 11 and 12 cannot be booked other than as part of a TPAC itinerary.

mjack99 Jun 8, 2019 9:52 am

So I already had a TPAC booked (MEL) from LAX and was connecting to that from SJC. But I needed to change the connection to JFK instead. That seems to me to be a correct booking (i.e. JFK>LAX>MEL....). No?

jerry a. laska Jun 8, 2019 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by mjack99 (Post 31182816)
So I already had a TPAC booked (MEL) from LAX and was connecting to that from SJC. But I needed to change the connection to JFK instead. That seems to me to be a correct booking (i.e. JFK>LAX>MEL....). No?

What does availability show when you search JFK-(LAX)-MEL? When I search JFK-(LAX)-MEL on 27SEP with USA POS or France POS, I see D0 for QF12 connecting to QF94 or QF96.

mjack99 Jun 9, 2019 12:20 pm

This is what I am seeing (D7 for JFK>LAX). The D0 for LAX>MEL is correct but I already had that leg locked so it wasn't an issue.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3bdbc3c146.png

Wasabi Tofu Jun 9, 2019 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by mjack99 (Post 31185887)
This is what I am seeing (D7 for JFK>LAX). The D0 for LAX>MEL is correct but I already had that leg locked so it wasn't an issue.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3bdbc3c146.png

IMHO, THAT IS THE ISSUE.
For example,
A-xB-C (no availability married segments)
You book D-xB-C (availability, so you get D-B and B-C segments confirmed)
Now, you want to change segment D-B to A-B. You have availability of A-B, but not for A-xB-C.
This scenario is evasion of married segments booking control of airline.
Some airline (e.g ANA) charge penalty to travel agents which do this type of evasion.

mjack99 Jun 10, 2019 1:45 am

Thanks, Wasabi Tofu. I think I understand that. And if I understand correctly, it makes sense.

mjack99 Jun 10, 2019 3:20 am

So here is another example. I am trying to book BRU>PER via DOH on Qatar on September 13. Expert flyer says yes to D class:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a220a78528.png

But the OW website says no:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3a7b2a5284.png

The full itinerary after PER is, surface to SYD then SYD>MEL>LAX>SEA>ORD>BOS>EWR>BRU. Maybe it is one of those screwing up the marriage but where the hell do I start to figure that out?


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