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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 34586854)
Thank you for checking and reporting the diffs.
If I recall correctly, they had been operating until just a few months ago, when they were grounded by safety regulators for gross violations. I understand they were also in bankruptcy reorganization but that apparently failed and they are now being liquidated. I've flown them a number of times, most often as part of an RTW, between JNB and CPT. |
2023-May-01 Second Visit to Asia rule change
2023-May-01 Second Visit to Asia rule change
According to diffchecker, this is the only change. 4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
It makes a second visit to Asia allowable when: One is for travel to Africa (e.g. AKL-HKG-JNB) Point of Origin is in Asia and the itinerary is westbound, for example: CMB-LHR...LAX-NRT-HKG-SYD-PER-HKG-CMB |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 35214988)
2023-May-01 Second Visit to Asia rule change
According to diffchecker, this is the only change. [/list]The indicated words have been removed. This is an improvement! It makes a second visit to Asia allowable when: One is for travel to Africa (e.g. AKL-HKG-JNB) Point of Origin is in Asia and the itinerary is westbound, for example: CMB-LHR...LAX-NRT-HKG-SYD-PER-HKG-CMB Thanks for pointing it out. btw pandaperth you've been a fountain of knowledge on this forum for a long time, thank you. |
ex-CAI xONEx Ending City
Just want to double check with fellow FTers.
Planning an ex-CAI, and want to end the itinerary in CMN instead of ME. Do the Rules allow? TIA. |
Originally Posted by allset2travel
(Post 35369594)
Just want to double check with fellow FTers.
Planning an ex-CAI, and want to end the itinerary in CMN instead of ME. Do the Rules allow? TIA. The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones: Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia) and Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows: a. within the country of origin b. within the Middle East c. between the United States and Canada d. between HKG and China e. between Malaysia and SIN f. within Africa g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India |
Originally Posted by anc305
(Post 35369678)
No. From the rules sheet.
The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones: Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia) and Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows: a. within the country of origin b. within the Middle East c. between the United States and Canada d. between HKG and China e. between Malaysia and SIN f. within Africa g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India Sorry, I didn't mean to be picky, CMN (Casablanca is in Morocco, as part of Europe by ow rules) should be allowed as a city to end a xONEx ?? |
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Originally Posted by allset2travel
(Post 35369814)
Thank you for quoting the rules.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be picky, CMN (Casablanca is in Morocco, as part of Europe by ow rules) should be allowed as a city to end a xONEx ?? |
Originally Posted by allset2travel
(Post 35369814)
Thank you for quoting the rules.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be picky, CMN (Casablanca is in Morocco, as part of Europe by ow rules) should be allowed as a city to end a xONEx ?? The general rule is that a RTW must end back in the country from which it started. There are specific exceptions to this general rule, which [MENTION=81994]anc305[/MENTION] listed. Morrocco is not one of the exceptions. So, yes you can end a RTW at CMN, but only if you started in Morrocco. To repeat, the relevant rule is: 4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows: a. within the country of origin Morrocco is not in the Middle East, and as defined in the rules - it is not a part of Africa.b. within the Middle East c. between the United States and Canada d. between HKG and China e. between Malaysia and SIN f. within Africa g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India ETA. And tomorrow I will catch the high-speed train from Tangier down to Casablanca and then fly CMN-JFK:D |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 35370387)
Where a RTW is allowed to end depends on where the RTW starts.
The general rule is that a RTW must end back in the country from which it started. There are specific exceptions to this general rule, which [MENTION=81994]anc305[/MENTION] listed. Morrocco is not one of the exceptions. So, yes you can end a RTW at CMN, but only if you started in Morrocco. To repeat, the relevant rule is: 4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows: a. within the country of origin Morrocco is not in the Middle East, and as defined in the rules - it is not a part of Africa.b. within the Middle East c. between the United States and Canada d. between HKG and China e. between Malaysia and SIN f. within Africa g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India ETA. And tomorrow I will catch the high-speed train from Tangier down to Casablanca and then fly CMN-JFK:D In Q4 I will be doing the reverse on the high speed train (Casablanca to Tangier). Please give a brief report on the train ride. I understand it is in fact a GTV. Safe travel! |
Originally Posted by allset2travel
(Post 35370788)
Thank you for clarifying. I thought CMN as well as CAI are consider to be part of Middle East. May bad! I plan to do a ex-CAI, so I might end at AMM instead.
In Q4 I will be doing the reverse on the high speed train (Casablanca to Tangier). Please give a brief report on the train ride. I understand it is in fact a GTV. Safe travel! Yes, the Tangier to Casablanca train is a TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse) Well it is a TGV from Tangier to Kenitra – the display showed the speed mostly varying between 280-300kph, and I noticed a peak of 319kph. Between Kenitra and Rabat it is merely a T, moving much more slowly. And then between Rabat and Casablanca it is a TV, moving at between 140 and 150 kph. 2nd Class is very comfortable, everybody has a seat. Total journey time 2h10m. And it keeps closely to its timetable. Change at Casablanca for the 30min local train out to the airport. The 2nd class ticket cost MAD274 (~USD28): Tangier-Casablanca-CMN |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 35377865)
Re the train ride
Yes, the Tangier to Casablanca train is a TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse) Well it is a TGV from Tangier to Kenitra – the display showed the speed mostly varying between 280-300kph, and I noticed a peak of 319kph. Between Kenitra and Rabat it is merely a T, moving much more slowly. And then between Rabat and Casablanca it is a TV, moving at between 140 and 150 kph. 2nd Class is very comfortable, everybody has a seat. Total journey time 2h10m. And it keeps closely to its timetable. Change at Casablanca for the 30min local train out to the airport. The 2nd class ticket cost MAD274 (~USD28): Tangier-Casablanca-CMN Good to learn that it took only 30 minutes by train from city to CMN. Safe travel. |
2023-Oct-05 - Change to Premium Economy Surcharge Table
2023-Oct-05 - Change to Premium Economy Surcharge Table
Most surcharges have increased (surprise, surprise) Also some strange new entries in the table https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c0bf9b684.jpeg |
We are looking at a J Oneworld RWT
HND-HKG-YVR-DFW-MIA-BGI-LHR-ARN-DOH-CAI-DOH-DPS-SIN-MEL-AKL-SYD-HND. DPS-SIN on jetstar. A lot of these flights are transit to get to a destination, ie DOH is a stopover to both CAI and DPS Is this allowable? If not, can someone please point out in simple terms where I have gone wrong. Much appreciated. |
Question better asked in other threads. so to keep this thread on topic "Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet"
the rules only
Originally Posted by kiwitripper64
(Post 35804892)
We are looking at a J Oneworld RWT
HND-HKG-YVR-DFW-MIA-BGI-LHR-ARN-DOH-CAI-DOH-DPS-SIN-MEL-AKL-SYD-HND. DPS-SIN on jetstar. A lot of these flights are transit to get to a destination, ie DOH is a stopover to both CAI and DPS Is this allowable? If not, can someone please point out in simple terms where I have gone wrong. Much appreciated. But Jetstar can be used on Global Explorer (distance based) DGLOB* [Rule 9701] Are other rule differences between these fare types. You could purchase DPS-SIN as a separate ticket on any airline. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi RTW guru pandaperth will probably/hopefully comment on the route. The OW RTW online tool is very buggy. Valid routes can error. Look here https://www.oneworld.com/world-travel Click on the FAQ. One of those (How much does a RTW cost) has download links for Rules 3015 & 9701 |
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