Is this handbook available on-line?

Does it give a definition of "ticketed point"?

See from post #54 in this thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-ex-jnb-2.html

It is available online for purchase. I couldn't possibly speculate about alternative ways it might be obtained. :D

Reading IATA definitions usually leaves you going in circles I'm afraid. From https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/passen...y-of-terms.xls I can tell you a ticketed point is "Points shown in the 'good for passage' section of the passenger ticket."
And the "good for passage" part (these days) coincides routing specified on the flight coupons.

There's also this set of tariff rules: http://www.passengerairtariff.com/docs/GENRULES.pdf which also says that the points are the airports shown in the ticket coupons.

Which, I think means, if you have something like SYD-SIN-LHR on BA as a through flight (no stop in SIN, same flight number), only SYD and LHR will appear as ticketed points. Therefore you could swap that with SYD-DXB-LHR on QF as a through flight (no stop in DXB, same flight number).

Anyone agree with this interpretation?


Sometimes I think it would save time if I just went on a travel agent training course.

Yes, I agree. Your ticket would only show LHR-SYD (SIN would not show) and so that can be changed to another through flight such as the QF one you showed, which stops in DXB but again DXB would not show on the ticket


LOL. Mrs pandaperth has suggested that to me in the past:D

I believe there are several people on this forum who could deliver a travel agent training course!

Yes, indeed, one of them tickets half of the crazy itineraries we come up with on the BA tier point runs thread. :D

(Unfortunately he is not able to ticket RTW fares. :()

Wouldn't work with this specific example. There are a few taxes that are collected even with transit in SIN on the same plane. These would have to be refunded (or collected) if you alternate between DXB/SIN transit point.

BA and QF YQ may also differ which would require potential reissue.

edit.

In saying that, I don't think $125 charge would apply under the spirit of the OWE rules. However, it will still require reissuance by the airline.

So does it qualify as a change to the ticketed points?

From my reading, the ticketed points are the places you fly between - not the ones you stopover in (as opposed to just layover or transfer).

With that in mind, how do they deal with this situation:

If an xONEx contains something like SIN-LHR-CDG, where the two flights connect on the same day/within 24 hours at LHR, I'm assuming that the ticketing carrier won't charge UK APD - perhaps this is wrong, but it would seem correct, right?

If I was then to move the LHR-CDG flight to two days later, so it's now a stopover in the UK, by the rules of xONEx it's not a change in ticketed points, so it wouldn't be a reissue and so would be a free change.

If I'm missing something, please do let me know.

Well that's not a stopover, it's a connection. No air passenger duty is due in that situation. The Heathrow service charge will apply though.

UK air passenger duty is now due on the LHR-CDG journey. (If you have another flight out of CDG within 24 hours, APD would be due on the whole journey up until your next stopover.)

The ticket will have to be reissued to show the appropriate taxes. It will also have to be re-issued or re-validated to show the change in flight number/times/dates. If the ticket issuer wants to charge a fee to cover that administration, they may do so. The 125 USD penalty is a separate matter.

I agree

That's correct - no APD (as long the transit qualifies under UK Gov't rules - not sure if it's 24hrs or some other number)

Agree - not a change in ticketed points, and therefore the USD125 change fee should not be imposed
May or may not be a re-issue
Would not be a free change, because the airline will collect the APD off you (and any other charges that result from the change from a transit to a stopover, but in this case I don't think there are any)

Yes 24 hours for international flights.

Thanks for this - I'm trying to work out where in the rules this would be a reissue - I know the taxes that should be collected would change, but it seems to me that under the rules, nothing would change. If you just changed the date here, surely you would be due to pay APD and therefore if they didn't reissue, then you're likely to have problems exiting the UK without paying all the taxes, right?

I don't mind paying the APD in this circumstance, I'm just wanting to make sure that this wouldn't trigger a ticket reissue and therefore a possible repricing.