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Old Oct 24, 2015, 5:28 am
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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[FARE GONE] DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Old Nov 2, 2016, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
Do you have the exact routing/dates for the thanksgiving week turn? Im trying to pull it up in ITA and Google but nothings coming up
I see LAX-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX on Matrix for $878 11/20-23. Can't get it to come out at that price on Google or Kayak but it clicks through from Matrix to Delta with the userscript at least. Didn't try to buy it.

$759 11/13-16 LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX

Prices much higher out of SFO for these two weeks.
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Old Nov 2, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
I see LAX-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX on Matrix for $878 11/20-23. Can't get it to come out at that price on Google or Kayak but it clicks through from Matrix to Delta with the userscript at least. Didn't try to buy it.

$759 11/13-16 LAX-ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX

Prices much higher out of SFO for these two weeks.
*edit* nvm i got it to pull up. Will book prob tomorrow or friday (payday heh). Debating if i want to do a sunday night long layover in DTW and visit friends.
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Old Nov 2, 2016, 10:30 pm
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*edit* nvm i got it to pull up. Will book prob tomorrow or friday (payday heh). Debating if i want to do a sunday night long layover in DTW and visit friends.
There's always the risk-free cancellation policy You have until midnight the day *after* booking to cancel for a full refund. It's not super clear which time zone applies (ATL, your booking time zone, or time zone of flight origination), people seem to have gotten all sorts of interpretations, but it's worth booking it now in case the fare goes up and you have 24-48 hours to change your mind
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Old Nov 2, 2016, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
There's always the risk-free cancellation policy You have until midnight the day *after* booking to cancel for a full refund. It's not super clear which time zone applies (ATL, your booking time zone, or time zone of flight origination), people seem to have gotten all sorts of interpretations, but it's worth booking it now in case the fare goes up and you have 24-48 hours to change your mind
Yea, I just tend to err on the side of caution. If i book in the morning ill have till friday night to cancel, hopefully give my friends in DTW enough time to tell me if they can hang out that sunday Worst case ive also got a few options for a day later originating from NYC
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Old Nov 2, 2016, 11:24 pm
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Anyone Going 11/10-11 to 11/13?

I'm doing my run next week and wanted to see if anyone is on my flights:

11/10 LAX-DTW-PVG
11/12 PVG-NRT-SIN
11/13 SIN-NRT-ATL-LAX

Overnight layover in PVG and SIN.

I've been seeing all the delayed flights from PVG-NRT so nervous about missed cxn since it's a turn in SIN.
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Old Nov 3, 2016, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover
I'm doing my run next week and wanted to see if anyone is on my flights:

11/10 LAX-DTW-PVG
11/12 PVG-NRT-SIN
11/13 SIN-NRT-ATL-LAX

Overnight layover in PVG and SIN.

I've been seeing all the delayed flights from PVG-NRT so nervous about missed cxn since it's a turn in SIN.

7-10 for me
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Old Nov 3, 2016, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
7-10 for me
Seems like there are a few 11/7-11/10 runners. Have fun!

The GUC upgrades on NRT-SIN and SIN-NRT look tough on mine.
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 1:12 am
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booked 11/20-11/23 LAX-DTW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DTW-LAX. Sadly my last 2 GUCs just expired so trying to plead with Delta (deaf ears) to apply them anyway. ~23k MQM at $750. Not a bad use of all the PTO I need to burn
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 12:28 pm
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I've been seeing all the delayed flights from PVG-NRT so nervous about missed cxn since it's a turn in SIN.[/QUOTE]
My flight out of DTW-NRT as delayed about 45 minutes. I only had a 55 minute layover so I was really worried. They delayed the plane until everyone from my delayed flight was onboard so I wouldn't worry too much about being delayed.
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by SnkeDr
I've been seeing all the delayed flights from PVG-NRT so nervous about missed cxn since it's a turn in SIN.
My flight out of DTW-NRT as delayed about 45 minutes. I only had a 55 minute layover so I was really worried. They delayed the plane until everyone from my delayed flight was onboard so I wouldn't worry too much about being delayed.
I am guessing they held the flight because quite some folks from DTW were actually going to SIN. Probably not that many are doing the PVG-NRT-SIN route, so they are unlikely to do the same thing just because the PVG flight is delayed. PVG-NRT on-time performance looks really bad now and I'd say it is worth thinking of a contingent plan now, at least know the options.
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by luek096
I am guessing they held the flight because quite some folks from DTW were actually going to SIN. Probably not that many are doing the PVG-NRT-SIN route, so they are unlikely to do the same thing just because the PVG flight is delayed. PVG-NRT on-time performance looks really bad now and I'd say it is worth thinking of a contingent plan now, at least know the options.
Thanks. I've been watching that flight and looks terrible lately. The only options I see is a Japan Airlines nonstop or some connections that would get me into Singapore around 5 am. Not sure if that would work to clear customs and immigration for the 6:55 am back to Narita on Delta. Delta good with IROPS in Narita. I'm a diamond but don't know if that makes a difference. No upgrade for me yet on NRT-SIN next Saturday yet. Looks tough. I was upgraded on PVG-NRT though.!
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover
Thanks. I've been watching that flight and looks terrible lately. The only options I see is a Japan Airlines nonstop or some connections that would get me into Singapore around 5 am. Not sure if that would work to clear customs and immigration for the 6:55 am back to Narita on Delta. Delta good with IROPS in Narita. I'm a diamond but don't know if that makes a difference. No upgrade for me yet on NRT-SIN next Saturday yet. Looks tough. I was upgraded on PVG-NRT though.!
If the arrival is on time, I think you'd be fine. I'm not sure that you would even have to go through C&I, but even if you did, 2 hours should be plenty.
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by angra
If the arrival is on time, I think you'd be fine. I'm not sure that you would even have to go through C&I, but even if you did, 2 hours should be plenty.
Thanks. Guess I would just go to transit desk. I was contemplating trip insurance but would hope Delta would have my back.
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover
Thanks. Guess I would just go to transit desk. I was contemplating trip insurance but would hope Delta would have my back.
Correct no need to go thru C & I, straight to transit desk which opens 2.5-3.0 hrs before scheduled departure. Not usually any line but you will have to be screened by security before getting BP and again screening at gate of you and carry on, don't buy any large bottles of liquid including water, there is plenty on the plane. Happy Travels! Hope all you MRers got your Flu shot! Let us know how your flights and cxn work out and the rest of you on MR please share your experiences. Have a Great week and keep posting! Blessings to all!
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Old Nov 5, 2016, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Csfing1
Correct no need to go thru C & I, straight to transit desk which opens 2.5-3.0 hrs before scheduled departure. Not usually any line but you will have to be screened by security before getting BP and again screening at gate of you and carry on, don't buy any large bottles of liquid including water, there is plenty on the plane. Happy Travels! Hope all you MRers got your Flu shot! Let us know how your flights and cxn work out and the rest of you on MR please share your experiences. Have a Great week and keep posting! Blessings to all!
Thanks...looks like the PVG-NRT is really delayed today. It'll be an adventure but making the Delta cxn to SIN looks like a longshot. I'll keep you posted.
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