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DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)

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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add f ~bc=e in the separate "extension codes" box

See post 1329 for some screenshots (which are now out of date, the routing codes and extension code have been split into two separate input boxes)

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

Little More than 24 Hours in Singapore especially post #5 in that thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is now open in ATL but only at the domestic end.

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

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2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

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Old Feb 13, 13, 9:57 am
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Remember to try out Night Safari, my old US friend visited and said it was excellent. I have yet to try it myself...
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Old Feb 13, 13, 3:33 pm
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For full experience of Singapore you need to go to Mustafa Centre and after that - to Gaylang, preferable after 7PM.
If you book a budget hotel, like Hotel 81 or Fragrance Hotel, the majority of locations for both of these chains are in Geylang. However, if you are really looking for that kind of action, neighboring countries have Geylang beat for both price and variety I would think. Just a theoretical comment as I am not experienced in this marketplace.

Geylang is not a bad location for a tourist: straight shot from SIN and good access to public transportation.
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Old Feb 13, 13, 4:45 pm
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love the night safari

Originally Posted by lcpteck View Post
Remember to try out Night Safari, my old US friend visited and said it was excellent. I have yet to try it myself...
I have been visiting Singapore for many years, and still delight in the night safari. It is probably the only place in the world to walk, in the dark, late at night and feel very safe.
the bird park is fun too. and the day zoo (next to the night safari) is wonderful.

food is the best part of singapore. don't miss chili crab. Love pepper crab too.

and the in airport (before you go through customs/immigration) transit hotel is a bargain, especially when arriving at 1am.

great technology deals too. just be careful and know your US offerings and prices when shopping.

enjoy!
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Old Feb 15, 13, 11:16 am
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$1268.60 May 6-9, 13-16 Apr 29-May 2 5.01 cpm for 25,318 MQM
Avail today, Feb 15
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Anyone managed to find a routing of this originating out of MSP at all?
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Old Feb 15, 13, 2:24 pm
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May 6-9. $1582.40. 22,194 MQM 7.13 cpm
MSP JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK MSP
Going thru ATL on same date is much more, try different dates and select flights by schedule and not price otherwise you may not get the JFK routing, try other days as well or else fly to SFO and start there but that will add more time.

Routing SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO picked to max out MQM. 25,318
Did MR in Dec from SMF ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL SMF is only 24,532 MQM but saves me the trip to SFO 2.5 hrs and parking and having to drive home after 72 hrs of a MR. Only 1 hr drive from SMF and parking is less as well and it is only 786 miles less. See what you can work out. Have a good trip.

My trip in Dec was on FlexPerks, 70,000 points, and my only costs were parking at $10 a day! This the card from NW, if you make charitable contributions, you get triple by using the card. I use it when I can't use AMX. Go for it.
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Old Feb 15, 13, 4:31 pm
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Looks like it's also good for a few other destinations like BKK and PEK. SLC-JFK-NRT-PEK r/t is $1238 all-in.

Myself I'm not using it as a mileage run, but a cheap way to get to DPS.
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Old Feb 19, 13, 2:39 am
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5.01 cpm for 25,318 MQM
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Old Feb 20, 13, 7:34 am
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Wow, this fare brings memories. One of my first MRs was a trip LAX-SIN during the 2002 SARS epidemic. Actually two trips in a month -- and I guess not true MRs because I stayed a week on each one.
LAX-SIN was about $380 rt on NW, and 4 and 5 star hotels in SIN were $39/$49 a night of so on Priceline. I actually booked/flew LAX-BKK first for about $450 and then flew north and spent a week at the Thai Elephant Conservation Center in Lampang and Chang Mai. While in Chang Mai the SIN fare was posted and I booked that one as well for a few weeks after getting back from Thailand.
Now $1200 is a bargain -- of course, adding the extra legs across the US.
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Old Feb 22, 13, 11:04 pm
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Singapore is a great city to visit and it really deserves a few days to visit, it is great for a MR but if you can take few says it is a beautiful and fascinating and clean Asian city, one of my favorite
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Old Feb 23, 13, 12:53 pm
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Hey so how was this? I'm doing it later this month. Any tips?
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Old Feb 24, 13, 11:28 pm
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How long will you be there and what are your interests? They have an excellent zoo, also the Night Safari at the zoo, Jurong Bird Park, some museums, casinos for gambling, the Singapore flyer (like the London I) only larger, Sentosa Island. You can take an excursion to Malaysia across the causeway to Johor Baru or take a ferry to Bataam Island which belongs to Indonesia. There are all kinds of shopping on Orchard Road but prices in US are just as good on many things. There is a very large store on Serangoon Road called Mustafa Centre which is like Walmart, can get watches, perfume, luggage and almost anything you might want; electronics and computers are just as good in the US, is crowded on the weekends and is open 24/7. You can get there on the MRT (subway) or you can use taxis which are inexpensive compared to the US. The also have an aquarium on Sentosa. Take a look at the Singapore Tourist Promotion Board website and there will be lots of brochures you will find at the airport. If you have any other questions please let me know. Can't tell you about restaurants unless you are interested in vegetarian ones.

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Old Feb 26, 13, 1:46 am
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$1268.60 May 6-9, 13-16 Apr 29-May 2, Dec 2-4, Nov 4-7
These are Mon out Thr back SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
There are probably some other dates in Oct and Sep as well, you will just have to try and see. 25,318 MQM in 72 hrs. Will be going in Dec from SMF fare not as good thru ATL and is about 800 less MQM - 24,542. Cheers
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Old Feb 26, 13, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1 View Post
OUTBOUND Mon 11 Feb 2013 |9:20pm SFO to 1:35am 12 Feb SIN |
DL 2240 , DL 173 , DL 621
9:20pm SFO 1:35am 12 Feb SIN
Multi-Stop36 hr 15 min
JFKLayover
NRTLayover
DL 2240 Economy (T)
DL 173 Economy (T)
DL 621 Economy (T)
Singapore is 16 hours ahead of San Francisco. Your date/times are off.
Edit: I just checked the DL schedule. I was right. You left Monday 2/11 and arrived Wednesday 2/13.

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Old Feb 26, 13, 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by Csfing1 View Post
$1268.60 May 6-9, 13-16 Apr 29-May 2, Dec 2-4, Nov 4-7
These are Mon out Thr back SFO JFK NRT SIN NRT JFK SFO
There are probably some other dates in Oct and Sep as well, you will just have to try and see. 25,318 MQM in 72 hrs. Will be going in Dec from SMF fare not as good thru ATL and is about 800 less MQM - 24,542. Cheers
This is fine BUT if you really want to do butt in seat MR run (not mine cup of java) I would do this within continental USA and Caribbean. I did SJU last year, going all over America but since I am diamond it was 98% in Business Class, actually it is like flying office; kind of cool after first 25,000 miles. Price wise it was better that this one.
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