Delta Announcing Changes to Status Qualification
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#317




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Yup. They need to clarify that by spending 100,000 MQM's on status extension, if that is considered "earning" the status.
The two most fungible DM choice benefits are the $500 AMEX statement credit and the $250 DL voucher.
So before you even consider the cost of the RUC/GUC redeemed, that 100,000 MQM's is worth $750, But if someone had 400,000 MQM's left over, then that expense/responsibility will be spread out into the future years.
Converting 100,000 MQM directly to RDM would be 50,000 RDM at 1 cent per RDM is only worth around $500. But 400,000 MQM to RDM would be a $2,000 hit right now if the owner chose to use the miles before they further get devalued.
Therefore, I have a hard time thinking this status extension benefit will include the choice benefits since it is so much costlier for DL to deliver, unless they simply want to juice up the bottom line now and worry about paying for their promises later. Wait, ... that's exactly how they have run the place since they invented MQM's.
The two most fungible DM choice benefits are the $500 AMEX statement credit and the $250 DL voucher.
So before you even consider the cost of the RUC/GUC redeemed, that 100,000 MQM's is worth $750, But if someone had 400,000 MQM's left over, then that expense/responsibility will be spread out into the future years.
Converting 100,000 MQM directly to RDM would be 50,000 RDM at 1 cent per RDM is only worth around $500. But 400,000 MQM to RDM would be a $2,000 hit right now if the owner chose to use the miles before they further get devalued.
Therefore, I have a hard time thinking this status extension benefit will include the choice benefits since it is so much costlier for DL to deliver, unless they simply want to juice up the bottom line now and worry about paying for their promises later. Wait, ... that's exactly how they have run the place since they invented MQM's.
#318
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I am also Lifetime Titanium with Marriott and get none of these choice benefits unless i stay the 50 or 75 nights. I do get all other Titanium benefits.
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#319
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3. Never expected MM changes in this (I'm not MM on DL anyway, but that whole section of the announcement was a surprise)
4. UA already gave Gold for 1MM. DL now gives Gold for 1MM. Hoping this pushes AA to give Platinum (their equivalent tier) instead of Gold (their DL Silver equivalent tier) for 1MM.
4. UA already gave Gold for 1MM. DL now gives Gold for 1MM. Hoping this pushes AA to give Platinum (their equivalent tier) instead of Gold (their DL Silver equivalent tier) for 1MM.
I believe UA only counted BIS miles on UA metal (though pre-merger CO members were credited more favorably).
DL is in the middle, basing on MQM - so includes cabin bonuses and partner travel but not elite bonuses or CC spend.
So DL is definitely being generous by skewing toward UA's program, although I'd point out that UA Gold gets E+ at booking (as does AA Plat, which is second level, now at 2MM), while DL Gold does not.
#320


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I've always been curious and I guess this is now the last chance to try it if someone ever wanted to.
Is there any limit to how many MQM status boosts you can apply to one account? In theory, could you take out a lot of (probably business) Delta Amex cards and spend $120,000 on the Reserve and $50,000 on the Platinum for the MQMs?
If starting from scratch, it works out that you'd need to spend $50,000 on card fees and spend $10,625,000 on the cards to get Lifetime Delta 360 now. Would be hard to execute with so little time left but better than getting to Lifetime Diamond was before the changes as you'd need to spend $60,000 on card fees and spend $12,750,000 on the cards.
*I know it's not actually lifetime etc etc
Is there any limit to how many MQM status boosts you can apply to one account? In theory, could you take out a lot of (probably business) Delta Amex cards and spend $120,000 on the Reserve and $50,000 on the Platinum for the MQMs?
If starting from scratch, it works out that you'd need to spend $50,000 on card fees and spend $10,625,000 on the cards to get Lifetime Delta 360 now. Would be hard to execute with so little time left but better than getting to Lifetime Diamond was before the changes as you'd need to spend $60,000 on card fees and spend $12,750,000 on the cards.
*I know it's not actually lifetime etc etc
#321




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Not holding my breath. AA for years counted all bonus/CC miles toward MM status, so the threshold was quite low to achieve. They even warned people before the change so they could transfer in [hotel?] points or make large CC purchases
I believe UA only counted BIS miles on UA metal (though pre-merger CO members were credited more favorably).
DL is in the middle, basing on MQM - so includes cabin bonuses and partner travel but not elite bonuses or CC spend.
So DL is definitely being generous by skewing toward UA's program, although I'd point out that UA Gold gets E+ at booking (as does AA Plat, which is second level, now at 2MM), while DL Gold does not.
I believe UA only counted BIS miles on UA metal (though pre-merger CO members were credited more favorably).
DL is in the middle, basing on MQM - so includes cabin bonuses and partner travel but not elite bonuses or CC spend.
So DL is definitely being generous by skewing toward UA's program, although I'd point out that UA Gold gets E+ at booking (as does AA Plat, which is second level, now at 2MM), while DL Gold does not.
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You could use that same logic to assert that my company pension is not justified.
Isn't my receiving a pension unfair to a 30 YO employee who is currently working? After all I am not contributing to the company income now that I have retired.
So what if I contributed to the company financials when I was working? What have I done for them lately?
Isn't my receiving a pension unfair to a 30 YO employee who is currently working? After all I am not contributing to the company income now that I have retired.
So what if I contributed to the company financials when I was working? What have I done for them lately?
#323



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Will there still be a 500 mile minimum per segment for MM qualification or is that going away too?
Signed,
250 air miles between my home airport and ATL
Signed,
250 air miles between my home airport and ATL
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#325




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this is an entire thread of that behavior. That is all we have heard since the original changes were announced in fact. There are legions of 8k plat's here crying their eyes out because they won't have status any more. DL failed miserably here in making things better because they were apparently worried that people who want something for nothing would be offended. In True DL fashion they screwed it up even more.
#326




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I suggest that we are credited the actually mileage flown since the 500 mile minimum is sunset as of 01/01/2024. Delta can pull the data from flight operations and customers can double check via flightaware.
#327




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Diamond and Plat on MQM Rollover Needs to be Clarified by Delta
The question is what happens to people who earn Plat or Diamond status in 2023, and decide to "pay" for continuing Plat or Diamond status with 100,000 leftover MQM in 2024.
I have over 300,000 MQM now (plus the 125,000 MQM needed for 2024). Does that means I can get three years of Diamond status renewal staring in 2024, AND the Choice Benefits? I "earned" the MQM's so it certainly feels like I would be earning Diamond status.
Unfortunately, I only only have 8,000 MQD's right now in 2023. Does this mean I need to do an epic MQD run before December 31, 2023, while partner Z-fares still get 40% MQD for miles traveled? I wish Delta sorted all of this out sooner.
Mod Note: The word "Rollover" in the title should be "Conversion"
Last edited by Bowgie; Oct 19, 2023 at 1:01 pm
#328




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I agree that flyers who will get Plat or Diamond status as a result of being 3MM or 4MM, respectively, will NOT get Choice Benefits. Current 4MM people with Plat status do not get an annual Choice Benefit.
The question is what happens to people who earn Plat or Diamond status in 2023, and decide to "pay" for continuing Plat or Diamond status with 100,000 leftover MQM in 2024.
I have over 300,000 MQM now (plus the 125,000 MQM needed for 2024). Does that means I can get three years of Diamond status renewal staring in 2024, AND the Choice Benefits? I "earned" the MQM's so it certainly feels like I would be earning Diamond status.
Unfortunately, I only only have 8,000 MQD's right now in 2023. Does this mean I need to do an epic MQD run before December 31, 2023, while partner Z-fares still get 40% MQD for miles traveled? I wish Delta sorted all of this out sooner.
The question is what happens to people who earn Plat or Diamond status in 2023, and decide to "pay" for continuing Plat or Diamond status with 100,000 leftover MQM in 2024.
I have over 300,000 MQM now (plus the 125,000 MQM needed for 2024). Does that means I can get three years of Diamond status renewal staring in 2024, AND the Choice Benefits? I "earned" the MQM's so it certainly feels like I would be earning Diamond status.
Unfortunately, I only only have 8,000 MQD's right now in 2023. Does this mean I need to do an epic MQD run before December 31, 2023, while partner Z-fares still get 40% MQD for miles traveled? I wish Delta sorted all of this out sooner.
#329
Join Date: Oct 2023
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I am so incredibly thrilled. I was minted as a 2MM a few weeks ago. I'm 36, so lifetime Platinum has some perks!
I'm going qualify for 2024 diamond and on top of that, I'll rollover more than 700,000 MQMs. So, that means a 7 year extension of my DM status. I am *very* happy!
I'm going qualify for 2024 diamond and on top of that, I'll rollover more than 700,000 MQMs. So, that means a 7 year extension of my DM status. I am *very* happy!
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If no changes to Million Miler had been made as part of this "Oops" retrenchment, no one would have noticed.
Yet, they made a major upgrade to the program -- when they didn't have to.
It's puzzling. I think that perhaps, just perhaps, there was a standoff between bean counters who have been running the show forever and non-beancounters who took a position that loyalty really should be rewarded. For once, perhaps, the bean counters were shut down. This would have to come from the CEO level, I would think.
Happy for the change, I am -- although if indeed Choice Benefits are not part of the deal, it sours the happiness a good bit.

