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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter
I am also a lifetime Titanium (I have more confidence that Marriott has a better understanding of Lifetime ).

What earned benefits do you receive that are not part of the lifetime Titanium package?
I am also Lifetime Titanium with Marriott and get none of these choice benefits unless i stay the 50 or 75 nights. I do get all other Titanium benefits.


This year, earn at least 50 Elite Night Credits to unlock your preferred exclusive Annual Choice Benefit:
  • Get Suite Night Awards™ (five) to redeem for upgrades to select premium rooms or standard suites.
  • Choose Your Favorite Mattress and save US$1,000 with purchase of a bed from any Marriott Bonvoy retail brand.
  • Gift Marriott Bonvoy Silver Elite Status to a family member or friend.
  • Support the Arne M. Sorenson Hospitality Fund by donating US$100 to support the next generation of diverse leaders in hospitality.
  • Support the United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) by donating US$100 to support children worldwide.
  • Support World Wildlife Fund (WWF) by donating US$100 to support their global conservation work.
  • Add Elite Night Credits (five) to get you closer to higher Elite status and enhanced benefits.
Earn at least 75 Elite Night Credits this year to get an additional Annual Choice Benefit. You can choose from the options above, plus these:

Exclusive 75-Night Benefits
  • Redeem One Free Night Award with a value of up to 40,000 points.
  • Gift Marriott Bonvoy Gold Elite Status to a family member or friend.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by DeltaFan4Now
But wont we earn this new status extension by spending our current MQMs? Its really not the same thing as the COVID-era extensions.
Originally Posted by FlyBitcoin
Yup. They need to clarify that by spending 100,000 MQM's on status extension, if that is considered "earning" the status.

The two most fungible DM choice benefits are the $500 AMEX statement credit and the $250 DL voucher.
So before you even consider the cost of the RUC/GUC redeemed, that 100,000 MQM's is worth $750, But if someone had 400,000 MQM's left over, then that expense/responsibility will be spread out into the future years.

Converting 100,000 MQM directly to RDM would be 50,000 RDM at 1 cent per RDM is only worth around $500. But 400,000 MQM to RDM would be a $2,000 hit right now if the owner chose to use the miles before they further get devalued.

Therefore, I have a hard time thinking this status extension benefit will include the choice benefits since it is so much costlier for DL to deliver, unless they simply want to juice up the bottom line now and worry about paying for their promises later. Wait, ... that's exactly how they have run the place since they invented MQM's.
Not giving full DM benefits for this 100K MQM would essentially be... Better upgrade position, Hertz President's Circle (also at PM) and more RDMs? Not such a great deal IMHO...
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by Ryno1234
I am also Lifetime Titanium with Marriott and get none of these choice benefits unless i stay the 50 or 75 nights. I do get all other Titanium benefits.


This year, earn at least 50 Elite Night Credits to unlock your preferred exclusive Annual Choice Benefit:
  • Get Suite Night Awards (five) to redeem for upgrades to select premium rooms or standard suites.
  • Choose Your Favorite Mattress and save US$1,000 with purchase of a bed from any Marriott Bonvoy retail brand.
  • Gift Marriott Bonvoy Silver Elite Status to a family member or friend.
  • Support the Arne M. Sorenson Hospitality Fund by donating US$100 to support the next generation of diverse leaders in hospitality.
  • Support the United Nations International Childrens Emergency Fund (UNICEF) by donating US$100 to support children worldwide.
  • Support World Wildlife Fund (WWF) by donating US$100 to support their global conservation work.
  • Add Elite Night Credits (five) to get you closer to higher Elite status and enhanced benefits.
Earn at least 75 Elite Night Credits this year to get an additional Annual Choice Benefit. You can choose from the options above, plus these:

Exclusive 75-Night Benefits
  • Redeem One Free Night Award with a value of up to 40,000 points.
  • Gift Marriott Bonvoy Gold Elite Status to a family member or friend.
On the other hand, Hyatt lifetime status explicitly gives you a cat 1-7 award plus four suite upgrade awards each year, with no earnings needed.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by ty97
3. Never expected MM changes in this (I'm not MM on DL anyway, but that whole section of the announcement was a surprise)
4. UA already gave Gold for 1MM. DL now gives Gold for 1MM. Hoping this pushes AA to give Platinum (their equivalent tier) instead of Gold (their DL Silver equivalent tier) for 1MM.
Not holding my breath. AA for years counted all bonus/CC miles toward MM status, so the threshold was quite low to achieve. They even warned people before the change so they could transfer in [hotel?] points or make large CC purchases
I believe UA only counted BIS miles on UA metal (though pre-merger CO members were credited more favorably).
DL is in the middle, basing on MQM - so includes cabin bonuses and partner travel but not elite bonuses or CC spend.
So DL is definitely being generous by skewing toward UA's program, although I'd point out that UA Gold gets E+ at booking (as does AA Plat, which is second level, now at 2MM), while DL Gold does not.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by Ben7
I've always been curious and I guess this is now the last chance to try it if someone ever wanted to.

Is there any limit to how many MQM status boosts you can apply to one account? In theory, could you take out a lot of (probably business) Delta Amex cards and spend $120,000 on the Reserve and $50,000 on the Platinum for the MQMs?

If starting from scratch, it works out that you'd need to spend $50,000 on card fees and spend $10,625,000 on the cards to get Lifetime Delta 360 now. Would be hard to execute with so little time left but better than getting to Lifetime Diamond was before the changes as you'd need to spend $60,000 on card fees and spend $12,750,000 on the cards.

*I know it's not actually lifetime etc etc
MQM boost miles can be deposited in any skymiles account (doesn't need to be the cardholder's SM account), and there's no stated limit (although getting millions of miles dumped into a single account will no doubt raise flags). 2x Reserve and 2x Platinum maxes you at 160,000MQM from boosts (and takes $1600 in AF). The remaining 2.84M MQM (for DM) would need to come from other's DL AMEX cards. The math on 3M MQM for DM would be $30k in AF (19 sets of 4 cards) and $6.4M spend - easy peasy
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Not holding my breath. AA for years counted all bonus/CC miles toward MM status, so the threshold was quite low to achieve. They even warned people before the change so they could transfer in [hotel?] points or make large CC purchases
I believe UA only counted BIS miles on UA metal (though pre-merger CO members were credited more favorably).
DL is in the middle, basing on MQM - so includes cabin bonuses and partner travel but not elite bonuses or CC spend.
So DL is definitely being generous by skewing toward UA's program, although I'd point out that UA Gold gets E+ at booking (as does AA Plat, which is second level, now at 2MM), while DL Gold does not.
Where have you seen MM will be based on MQMs as they are going away, aren't they? "Beginning January 1, 2024, Million Miler Status will be earned via flight miles flown (excluding Basic Economy fares) and added to your total Million Miler balance. Any MQMs already earned toward Million Miler Status will remain." Quote about MQMs : "MQMs and MQM Rollover will be departing at the end of 2023"
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter
You could use that same logic to assert that my company pension is not justified.

Isn't my receiving a pension unfair to a 30 YO employee who is currently working? After all I am not contributing to the company income now that I have retired.

So what if I contributed to the company financials when I was working? What have I done for them lately?
Not really the same, in theory the company's current income is not contributing toward your pension income. Pension contributions made WHILE you were working were set aside, and invested, and that's paying your benefit. It's just a twist on a 401k (well, really vice-versa), but managed by the company.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 11:54 am
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Will there still be a 500 mile minimum per segment for MM qualification or is that going away too?

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250 air miles between my home airport and ATL
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by beachmouse
Will there still be a 500 mile minimum per segment for MM qualification or is that going away too?

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250 air miles between my home airport and ATL
That is going away. Announced previously and not reversed yesterday.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by rylan
So basically what I'm hearing is... 'I am only happy with program changes that would benefit me and screw everyone else'.
this is an entire thread of that behavior. That is all we have heard since the original changes were announced in fact. There are legions of 8k plat's here crying their eyes out because they won't have status any more. DL failed miserably here in making things better because they were apparently worried that people who want something for nothing would be offended. In True DL fashion they screwed it up even more.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by beachmouse
Will there still be a 500 mile minimum per segment for MM qualification or is that going away too?

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I suggest that we are credited the actually mileage flown since the 500 mile minimum is sunset as of 01/01/2024. Delta can pull the data from flight operations and customers can double check via flightaware.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:32 pm
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Diamond and Plat on MQM Rollover Needs to be Clarified by Delta

Originally Posted by ATLCDG
Also, in the program rules for CB it states: "Choice Benefits:Members who earn Diamond or Platinum Medallion Status are immediately eligible to select Choice Benefits." Earn is the important word.
"I agree that flyers who will get Plat or Diamond status as a result of being 3MM or 4MM, respectively, will NOT get Choice Benefits. Current 4MM people with Plat status do not get an annual Choice Benefit." -- THIS IS INCORRECT; 4MM GET CB. SEE THE POST BELOW.

The question is what happens to people who earn Plat or Diamond status in 2023, and decide to "pay" for continuing Plat or Diamond status with 100,000 leftover MQM in 2024.

I have over 300,000 MQM now (plus the 125,000 MQM needed for 2024). Does that means I can get three years of Diamond status renewal staring in 2024, AND the Choice Benefits? I "earned" the MQM's so it certainly feels like I would be earning Diamond status.

Unfortunately, I only only have 8,000 MQD's right now in 2023. Does this mean I need to do an epic MQD run before December 31, 2023, while partner Z-fares still get 40% MQD for miles traveled? I wish Delta sorted all of this out sooner.

Mod Note: The word "Rollover" in the title should be "Conversion"
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Bowgie
I agree that flyers who will get Plat or Diamond status as a result of being 3MM or 4MM, respectively, will NOT get Choice Benefits. Current 4MM people with Plat status do not get an annual Choice Benefit.

The question is what happens to people who earn Plat or Diamond status in 2023, and decide to "pay" for continuing Plat or Diamond status with 100,000 leftover MQM in 2024.

I have over 300,000 MQM now (plus the 125,000 MQM needed for 2024). Does that means I can get three years of Diamond status renewal staring in 2024, AND the Choice Benefits? I "earned" the MQM's so it certainly feels like I would be earning Diamond status.

Unfortunately, I only only have 8,000 MQD's right now in 2023. Does this mean I need to do an epic MQD run before December 31, 2023, while partner Z-fares still get 40% MQD for miles traveled? I wish Delta sorted all of this out sooner.
I think I've answered this in 3 or 4 threads already. I am a retired 4MM Plat. I have received Choice Benefits every year they have been available. They may change in the future, but I have received them every year
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by iflyalexair
I am so incredibly thrilled. I was minted as a 2MM a few weeks ago. I'm 36, so lifetime Platinum has some perks!

I'm going qualify for 2024 diamond and on top of that, I'll rollover more than 700,000 MQMs. So, that means a 7 year extension of my DM status. I am *very* happy!
If I were you I'd calculate when I'll hit lifetime Diamond via MM and only extend my Diamond status by that number of years (with some cushion) and convert the rest to miles.
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Old Oct 19, 2023 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by matchbox20_is
Really confused about why they were so generous with the MM program, which is a backward-looking reward rather than incentivizing current spend.
Of all of this, the substantial upgrade to the Million Miler program surprises me the most. For decades now, driven by bean counters, it has been about "what have you done for us lately?" and Million Miler really meant very little. Miller Miler was not impacted, positively or negatively, in the original changes rolled out in September.

If no changes to Million Miler had been made as part of this "Oops" retrenchment, no one would have noticed.

Yet, they made a major upgrade to the program -- when they didn't have to.

It's puzzling. I think that perhaps, just perhaps, there was a standoff between bean counters who have been running the show forever and non-beancounters who took a position that loyalty really should be rewarded. For once, perhaps, the bean counters were shut down. This would have to come from the CEO level, I would think.

Happy for the change, I am -- although if indeed Choice Benefits are not part of the deal, it sours the happiness a good bit.
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