Delta Announcing Changes to Status Qualification
#406




Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 6,489
100k is the average of 75k (Platinum) and 125k (Diamond). You are not extending DM for an additional year - you are extending your own personal status for an additional year which could be FO/GM/PM/DM. Obviously for FO/GM you would instead exchange the 100k MQM for 10k MQD instead.
#407


Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Berlin, Germany
Programs: DL DM/2MM, UA PE, HH Gold
Posts: 1,105
100k is the average of 75k (Platinum) and 125k (Diamond). You are not extending DM for an additional year - you are extending your own personal status for an additional year which could be FO/GM/PM/DM. Obviously for FO/GM you would instead exchange the 100k MQM for 10k MQD instead.
Edit: wrong, there might be a situation where somebody sits on lets say 200K MQM's by the end of the year but only meet the MQD's for platinum. So he would loose 75K MQM's and might have enough to extend that status for 2025.
Last edited by BER Flyer; Oct 20, 2023 at 10:14 am Reason: wrong calculation
#408




Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 204
Just finished messaging a Delta agent about the Choice benefits for using 100K to extend my DM status. I dont think they are working off a script on this one, they are taking their best guess, with differing answers. The agent said he could only assume that people will get the Choice benefits if their status carries on, and he wasnt sure why they wouldnt, as part of the DM benefit.
I wouldnt take any of this as true until I see it addressed in writing. They are just guessing, like we are.
I wouldnt take any of this as true until I see it addressed in writing. They are just guessing, like we are.
#409
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 18
Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
#410




Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comt, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 641
I thought that you can't extend your status below Diamond? If you need 100k to extend the status you must have had more then these 100K in your account at the end of this year. Early january DL would subtract 125.000 of those MQM's for your 2024 Diamond status, if you then have at least another 100k left you can extend that diamond status into 2025. So my unsterstanding is that you need a least 225.000 MQM's by december 31st to use this feature.
Edit: wrong, there might be a situation where somebody sits on lets say 200K MQM's by the end of the year but only meet the MQD's for platinum. So he would loose 75K MQM's and might have enough to extend that status for 2025.
Edit: wrong, there might be a situation where somebody sits on lets say 200K MQM's by the end of the year but only meet the MQD's for platinum. So he would loose 75K MQM's and might have enough to extend that status for 2025.
Last edited by ATLCDG; Oct 20, 2023 at 10:48 am
#411




Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: SFO (Sonoma)
Programs: DL Charter DM/DM/2.4MM, IHG Diamond Elite, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 2,092
Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
Last edited by audidudi; Oct 20, 2023 at 10:46 am
#412


Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Dayton, OH/CVG
Programs: DA Diamond(2 MM), Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador/Charter Ambassador, Hertz Presidents Circle
Posts: 964
Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.
If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).
There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
i will have enough roll overs after the 125k is deducted for 4 more years of Diamond. I will also hit the $28,000 threshold each year based on my current travel rate each of those years. I cant imagine Delta granting me full DM status for 4 years without theoretically spending another dime. I could status match to another airline and max them out and have two top levels of the 3 legacy carriers. Not that i would do that based on convenience and my general satisfaction with Delta, but it could happen.
#413




Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comt, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 641
It is 100k to carry over any status, I believe. 100k if you are DIA and extending the status, 100k if you are Platinum and extending the status, etc. So...I believe you are "paying" to extend your current status no matter the level and "paying" 100k.
#414




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Georgia
Programs: DL DM/2MM
Posts: 1,118
New Coke is an apt analogy, though probably not in the way you think. After Classic Coke was brought back, sales went UP compared to before announcing New Coke, and they kept going up from there. It was unintentionally genius.
#415




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Georgia
Programs: DL DM/2MM
Posts: 1,118
I agree your position is justified and makes sense. That's not in question. But it only slightly increases the chances that's the way DL will implement it. They've proven time and again that what makes sense to flyers is subordinate to what serves AmEx and their own shareholders. They've said in the same paragraph "extended status" and "complimentary status." This worries me, and I believe my worries are justified.
#416




Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: On the run
Programs: DL 2MM/DM, Hilton LT Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Marriot Titanium
Posts: 1,273
So much for Coming in 2024: A Simpler SkyMiles with a A Simpler Program, as the updates from this week has caused more confusion by muddling the waterfar from a simpler program with the MQD rollover now an option to extend status. Eds Thank You For Your Feedback On The SkyMiles Program e-mail caused more questions than answers, as Dwights follow-up e-mail Updates to Your 2024 SkyMiles Program was clear as mud.
#417




Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 204
I agree your position is justified and makes sense. That's not in question. But it only slightly increases the chances that's the way DL will implement it. They've proven time and again that what makes sense to flyers is subordinate to what serves AmEx and their own shareholders. They've said in the same paragraph "extended status" and "complimentary status." This worries me, and I believe my worries are justified.
#418




Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: DL DM; DL AMEX Reserve; HHonors Gold
Posts: 1,991
Yes. We have little trust left in what Delta will actually do unless it is published in black and white by them specifically. And then they can change it, anyways. It wouldnt be a big deal to me, but its a matter of whether Im going to put an additional 90K on my Reserve card or not before the end of the year. No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.
#419




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Georgia
Programs: DL DM/2MM
Posts: 1,118
Yes, this. If the changes DL chose to make this round tell us anything, it's that they don't care much about overcrowded lounges, they don't care much about status inflation, but they care very much about driving business to AmEx.
#420




Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,598
Yes. We have little trust left in what Delta will actually do unless it is published in black and white by them specifically. And then they can change it, anyways. It wouldnt be a big deal to me, but its a matter of whether Im going to put an additional 90K on my Reserve card or not before the end of the year. No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.

