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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by BER Flyer
Yes, but they said "Diamond" too in 2022 when they extended status for another year - without CB's. And i still wonder why they don't charge the standard 125k MQM's for Diamond.
100k is the average of 75k (Platinum) and 125k (Diamond). You are not extending DM for an additional year - you are extending your own personal status for an additional year which could be FO/GM/PM/DM. Obviously for FO/GM you would instead exchange the 100k MQM for 10k MQD instead.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle
100k is the average of 75k (Platinum) and 125k (Diamond). You are not extending DM for an additional year - you are extending your own personal status for an additional year which could be FO/GM/PM/DM. Obviously for FO/GM you would instead exchange the 100k MQM for 10k MQD instead.
I thought that you can't extend your status below Diamond? If you need 100k to extend the status you must have had more then these 100K in your account at the end of this year. Early january DL would subtract 125.000 of those MQM's for your 2024 Diamond status, if you then have at least another 100k left you can extend that diamond status into 2025. So my unsterstanding is that you need a least 225.000 MQM's by december 31st to use this feature.
Edit: wrong, there might be a situation where somebody sits on lets say 200K MQM's by the end of the year but only meet the MQD's for platinum. So he would loose 75K MQM's and might have enough to extend that status for 2025.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:09 am
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Just finished messaging a Delta agent about the Choice benefits for using 100K to extend my DM status. I dont think they are working off a script on this one, they are taking their best guess, with differing answers. The agent said he could only assume that people will get the Choice benefits if their status carries on, and he wasnt sure why they wouldnt, as part of the DM benefit.

I wouldnt take any of this as true until I see it addressed in writing. They are just guessing, like we are.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:14 am
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Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.

The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.

If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).

There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by BER Flyer
I thought that you can't extend your status below Diamond? If you need 100k to extend the status you must have had more then these 100K in your account at the end of this year. Early january DL would subtract 125.000 of those MQM's for your 2024 Diamond status, if you then have at least another 100k left you can extend that diamond status into 2025. So my unsterstanding is that you need a least 225.000 MQM's by december 31st to use this feature.
Edit: wrong, there might be a situation where somebody sits on lets say 200K MQM's by the end of the year but only meet the MQD's for platinum. So he would loose 75K MQM's and might have enough to extend that status for 2025.
A Platinum with 200k in MQMs year end would deduct 75 for Platinum in 2024 leaving 125k and from that they could apply 100k to keep their status in 2025 and decide on MQDs or just miles for the remaining 75k. I think we are saying the same thing.

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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by edrags2
Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.

The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.

If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).

There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
You’ll need to have 200K MQMs after DL has deducted 125K rollover on January 1 in order to be DM for 2024 and 2025, assuming that you haven’t earned it via MQDs or AmEx spend of $250K during 2023. Otherwise you can elect to convert the MQMs to MQDs/RDMs and/or DM status by 31 December 2024.

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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by edrags2
Yes, you need to have 225,000 MQMs by December 31 this year if you want to be Diamond for 2024 and extend to 2025. That has been confirmed several times by Delta.

The one item that remains vague is whether "earned" Diamond has better privileges than "extended" Diamond in 2025 and beyond. That is what we are debating.

If Delta assigns full privileges to "extended" Diamond they kill the incentive for all of us with significant MQM accumulations to requalify for status. There are members out there with a million MQMs. They would free ride for 10 years if they so chose. That just cannot be what Delta intends, unless they made another egregious miscalculation (don't put it beyond them).

There is precedent (e.g. during Covid) in which Delta extended status without choice privileges. So I think there is 99% certainty that "extended" status will NOT come with full privileges.
This 100%
i will have enough roll overs after the 125k is deducted for 4 more years of Diamond. I will also hit the $28,000 threshold each year based on my current travel rate each of those years. I cant imagine Delta granting me full DM status for 4 years without theoretically spending another dime. I could status match to another airline and max them out and have two top levels of the 3 legacy carriers. Not that i would do that based on convenience and my general satisfaction with Delta, but it could happen.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by BER Flyer
Yes, but they said "Diamond" too in 2022 when they extended status for another year - without CB's. And i still wonder why they don't charge the standard 125k MQM's for Diamond.
It is 100k to carry over any status, I believe. 100k if you are DIA and extending the status, 100k if you are Platinum and extending the status, etc. So...I believe you are "paying" to extend your current status no matter the level and "paying" 100k.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by HDQDD
This can go up there with New Coke as a text book case in how not to go to market.
New Coke is an apt analogy, though probably not in the way you think. After Classic Coke was brought back, sales went UP compared to before announcing New Coke, and they kept going up from there. It was unintentionally genius.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by shoodawg
delta said Diamond. Not Diamond light. Not Diamond without benefits. They clearly communicated for 100k in rollover, you buy Diamond for another year.
I agree your position is justified and makes sense. That's not in question. But it only slightly increases the chances that's the way DL will implement it. They've proven time and again that what makes sense to flyers is subordinate to what serves AmEx and their own shareholders. They've said in the same paragraph "extended status" and "complimentary status." This worries me, and I believe my worries are justified.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 12:59 pm
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So much for Coming in 2024: A Simpler SkyMiles with a A Simpler Program, as the updates from this week has caused more confusion by muddling the waterfar from a simpler program with the MQD rollover now an option to extend status. Eds Thank You For Your Feedback On The SkyMiles Program e-mail caused more questions than answers, as Dwights follow-up e-mail Updates to Your 2024 SkyMiles Program was clear as mud.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by safigan
I agree your position is justified and makes sense. That's not in question. But it only slightly increases the chances that's the way DL will implement it. They've proven time and again that what makes sense to flyers is subordinate to what serves AmEx and their own shareholders. They've said in the same paragraph "extended status" and "complimentary status." This worries me, and I believe my worries are justified.
Yes. We have little trust left in what Delta will actually do unless it is published in black and white by them specifically. And then they can change it, anyways. It wouldnt be a big deal to me, but its a matter of whether Im going to put an additional 90K on my Reserve card or not before the end of the year. No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by busdriver11
Yes. We have little trust left in what Delta will actually do unless it is published in black and white by them specifically. And then they can change it, anyways. It wouldnt be a big deal to me, but its a matter of whether Im going to put an additional 90K on my Reserve card or not before the end of the year. No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.
Im having flashbacks to Deltas own Loyalty is a two way street ad campaign!
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by busdriver11
No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.
Yes, this. If the changes DL chose to make this round tell us anything, it's that they don't care much about overcrowded lounges, they don't care much about status inflation, but they care very much about driving business to AmEx.
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Old Oct 20, 2023 | 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by busdriver11
Yes. We have little trust left in what Delta will actually do unless it is published in black and white by them specifically. And then they can change it, anyways. It wouldnt be a big deal to me, but its a matter of whether Im going to put an additional 90K on my Reserve card or not before the end of the year. No Choice benefits with the extended/complimentary status, no spend.
just look at how they are handling the e-credit reducing eqd situation. Prime example.
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