Delta Announcing Changes to Status Qualification
#166




Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 6,494
There has to be more to the $2500 head start than simply holding a credit card. I could understand if this head start took the place of the MQD waiver at $25,000 spent, but you shouldn't get it just for paying the annual fee. It would make the most sense to need to spend $25,000 to get the initial $2500 head start, and from then on you would earn the previously announced 1:10 or 1:20 MQD per credit card spend.
#167



Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Flower Mound, TX
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#168




Join Date: Jul 2019
Programs: Delta PM, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 494
#169




Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: DTW
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Posts: 944
#170




Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SJC
Programs: DL DM MM, Atmos (Stupid name) Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Disc, Hilton Silver
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I like these changes. I think I could make gold with the lower limits. However, I’m a million miler, so I don’t need to do anything to get gold. I wasn’t going to be platinum much longer because I don’t fly as much these days anyway.
#171




Join Date: Aug 2010
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What I found peculiar today and from recent past interviews is that Ed did not flat out apologize by stating Im sorry that the announced changes upset you nor did he take responsibility as the fall guy for ripping the band-aid off. Ed is still a tone deaf CEO.
#172
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Tone deaf to whom? Certainly not the BOD or shareholders.
#173




Join Date: Jan 2014
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So, I'm weighing this. I should end 2023 with just over 175k MQMs (give or take), so I'll have Plat for '24 and '25. There's no (practical) way for me to get up to 275k MQMs (to cover '26).
I think 15 days of flying per year (especially with the 24-hour qualifier giving cover for forced-overnight IRROPS) is probably a reasonable level for lounge access, and $50/day for further access isn't bad.
As to credit card use...I'm not sure there's any incentive to use the card(s) for quite a while, if ever, under this. I'd actually be tempted to get a Platinum under this, sock drawer the two cards, roll forward with my Silver status and 15 days of lounge access, and never credit a thing to DL ever again (I'm at like 360k Lifetime Miles, so that's a long path; if I credit to Virgin Atlantic, I'll hover with SkyTeam-based lounge access on international flights (incl. Canada), so 15 days might actually cover me for most of my domestic travel). But the 10:1 ratio on the Reserve is still a lousy rate for a card that has both lousy basic earn (no bonus categories to speak of) and weak TI.
I think 15 days of flying per year (especially with the 24-hour qualifier giving cover for forced-overnight IRROPS) is probably a reasonable level for lounge access, and $50/day for further access isn't bad.
As to credit card use...I'm not sure there's any incentive to use the card(s) for quite a while, if ever, under this. I'd actually be tempted to get a Platinum under this, sock drawer the two cards, roll forward with my Silver status and 15 days of lounge access, and never credit a thing to DL ever again (I'm at like 360k Lifetime Miles, so that's a long path; if I credit to Virgin Atlantic, I'll hover with SkyTeam-based lounge access on international flights (incl. Canada), so 15 days might actually cover me for most of my domestic travel). But the 10:1 ratio on the Reserve is still a lousy rate for a card that has both lousy basic earn (no bonus categories to speak of) and weak TI.
#174




Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: Amtrak Guest Rewards (SE), Virgin America Elevate, Hyatt Gold Passport (Platinum), VIA Preference
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There has to be more to the $2500 head start than simply holding a credit card. I could understand if this head start took the place of the MQD waiver at $25,000 spent, but you shouldn't get it just for paying the annual fee. It would make the most sense to need to spend $25,000 to get the initial $2500 head start, and from then on you would earn the previously announced 1:10 or 1:20 MQD per credit card spend.
#175




Join Date: Aug 2010
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Who pays the bills and keeps the lights on at the end of the day the customer. And during a pandemic the US taxpayers. Apparently United airlines stated during todays 3rd quarter call that status matches were drastically up.
#176




Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: DTW
Programs: DL Platinum Medallion
Posts: 944
Ultimately the head start appears to be an acknowledgement that Silver Medallion status is redundant with the Reserve card, so they are making it easy for cardholders to get to Gold Medallion. I had been considering upgrading my Platinum CC to a Reserve CC for the better MQD earning rate, but if I really am going to earn a $2500 head start per card with no spending requirements, it makes much more sense to open a second account and then get a full sign up bonus and second companion certificate upon renewal.
#177




Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: DL Diamond MM, UA Premier 1K
Posts: 4,277
The 3 choices to rollover MQMs are really two choices. I'll have about 500,000 MQM at the end of the year. That could get me:
1. 5 years of Diamond
2. 250,000 RDM
3. 25,000 MQD -> this is pointless in light of option 1.
1. 5 years of Diamond
2. 250,000 RDM
3. 25,000 MQD -> this is pointless in light of option 1.
#178
Join Date: Jul 2015
Programs: BA Silver, DL SM
Posts: 80
These updated changes arguably work even less for me than the original plan, but that's probably intended. As someone having credited Skyteam flights to AF/KL/OK for years and having qualified for FO by pure MQM in recent years, I'm not sitting on millions of MQMs or MM status and would be pushed further down the upgrade list (i.e. down to 35 of 35 from 31 of 35). The simultaneous change for MM qualification by BIS miles only makes it further out of reach for those of us below MM.
Moreover, with FO available by CC acquisition alone, the already busy 'priority check-in' will now be busier than the general line and the upgrade lists will continue to grow. And with most partner flights including AF/KL earning pennies on the dollar for MQD (even full Y is 25% MQD, cheapest bucket earns 5%), there's just no incentive to push for Gold when every 1MM will be Gold and every 2MM Platinum. No MQD modification for international members is just the last nail in the coffin. After decades of Skyteam loyalty, I'm moving to OW where Saphire is actually within reach for the frequent Y flyer.
Moreover, with FO available by CC acquisition alone, the already busy 'priority check-in' will now be busier than the general line and the upgrade lists will continue to grow. And with most partner flights including AF/KL earning pennies on the dollar for MQD (even full Y is 25% MQD, cheapest bucket earns 5%), there's just no incentive to push for Gold when every 1MM will be Gold and every 2MM Platinum. No MQD modification for international members is just the last nail in the coffin. After decades of Skyteam loyalty, I'm moving to OW where Saphire is actually within reach for the frequent Y flyer.
#179




Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 204
I am suspicious about the Choice benefits with the MQM conversion. Based upon their formula, my husband could get two extra years as Diamond, and I could get one (or vice versa). But if we select that option , will we still get the Choice benefits, if the Diamond status is considered extended, and not earned? I wont believe it until I see it on Delta!s website. The Choice benefits are the true benefit of Diamond status.
#180




Join Date: Oct 2019
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Im currently a 360 member with over 2 million MQM. Im uncertain if I use the 100,000 MQM yearly I can maintain 360 status.
With the new rules Im already lifetime Diamond so I would hope I could use my MQM to maintain 360 for the next 21 years.
Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
thank you
With the new rules Im already lifetime Diamond so I would hope I could use my MQM to maintain 360 for the next 21 years.
Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
thank you

