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ConciergeMike Nov 20, 2008 9:02 am

EWR-TPE is a BR flight, no?

belynch Nov 20, 2008 9:04 am


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 10783568)
Based on my experience of flying EWR-IAH on CO51, which continues as IAH-EZE, it appears there are a lot of passengers flying EWR-IAH-EZE.

Being on CO51 originating in FRA I notice that there are several pax that are holding South American passports. With the demise of Varig I wonder how many pax now transit via the US to go to the EU. @:-)

As far as the wishlist - I'd like to see more 777's into FRA (for only selfish reasons of course). DXB and JNB would be nice. A non-stop option to BKK would be nice although if TG couldn't make it work, I'm not really sure CO could either. Another option to SYD or BNE would also be great (if for no other reason than to cut down on the monopoly).

I think the actual deployment of CO wide-bodies will be used to align with Star hubs (FRA, MUC, ZRH, etc.) to get the feeder traffic.

Hartmann Nov 20, 2008 9:04 am

CO List:

IAH-GUM
IAH-ICN
IAH-SVO/DME
EWR-MUC

My List:

IAH-MUC
IAH-FCO
AUS-Anywhere but EWR/CLE/IAH

rolov Nov 20, 2008 9:05 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 10783625)
EWR-TPE is a BR flight, no?

Yeah
it also stops somewhere in one direction

COFan Nov 20, 2008 9:07 am


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 10783639)
Being on CO51 originating in FRA I notice that there are several pax that are holding South American passports. With the demise of Varig I wonder how many pax now transit via the US to go to the EU. @:-)

As far as the wishlist - I'd like to see more 777's into FRA (for only selfish reasons of course).

+1 I fly into FRA a bit and I am bummed to see the 772 go.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 20, 2008 9:07 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 10783620)
No way those two in red are on anyone's list. EWR-ICN would've been if they stayed in ST, and I guess they could get the same benefits in *A with OZ, but I just don't see it happening.

OZ is a smaller carrier than KE, but does have a sizable S.E. Asian feed ex-ICN.

CO 1E Nov 20, 2008 9:09 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 10783597)
I have friends and family in the auto-industry and don't think the Big 3 should be bailed-out. They should go into bankruptcy and restructure. I feel sorry for the people employed by the automakers but if we're really concerned about the "greater good" how can we expect people to make good business decisions when the government is turning around and handing out money for making bad ones? Even with stipulations attached...

Alright, I'm done with politics for today.

It's not just the people employed in the auto industry, it's the collateral effects of a Big 3 failure that will ruin the economy. You cannot just wipe out 5-10% of GDP overnight and not have devastating economic consequences. The failure of the Big 3 means the failure of up to 500 Tier 1 suppliers, 2500 Tier 2 suppliers, and 8000 (or some such) Tier 3 suppliers. Not only are the employees of those companies out of jobs, but their accountants, lawyers, financial advisors, raw material suppliers, and others no longer get work from them. That equals less income for those people, who then spend less in the economy, which drags the economy down even further, until the economy falls into a depression.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 20, 2008 9:12 am

There are also National Security implications to axing your heavy-manufacturing capabilities.

CO 1E Nov 20, 2008 9:13 am


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 10783644)
Yeah
it also stops somewhere in one direction

ANC, westbound; nonstop, eastbound.

CO 1E Nov 20, 2008 9:16 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 10783704)
There are also National Security implications to axing your heavy-manufacturing capabilities.

Exactly. If the economy gets really bad, we're going to have to start another war and retool all the abandoned factories in the Rustbelt to make munitions and equipment.

MBM3 Nov 20, 2008 9:17 am

Is any one else optimistic on how BA will do with the LCY - JFK flight? Yes, I know the potential issues with such a small subfleet, but damn will that be convenient. LCY is such a dream airport - I got from my seat on the AVRO to my client's office in the financial district in under 45 minutes! Even with the gas-n-go in SNN, this has the potential to be a huge time saver for executives who do not have access to private jets.

Hartmann Nov 20, 2008 9:18 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 10783704)
There are also National Security implications to axing your heavy-manufacturing capabilities.

If you are talking about making tanks and stuff, the auto-industry is different than it was in 1940-1941 and cannot simply "re-tool" to make the military tools we use today.

There is a big delta between an M1A Abrams tank being made in a GM plant vs. a M4 Sherman being made in the same facility.

As the technology in aircraft, tanks, and regular old transport vehicles has increased, the ability of domestic, non-specialized companies to make them has dwindled.

I completely understand collateral in the automakers failing but at the same time, could they not go into bankruptcy, restructure, re-tool, etc. and get back on their feet?

What about the original money given to the auto-industry to retool for more fuel efficient vehicles? That was something like $25B

rolov Nov 20, 2008 9:18 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 10783716)
ANC, westbound; nonstop, eastbound.

Yeah , I knew it was either ANC or SEA

fozz Nov 20, 2008 9:19 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 10783640)
My List:
...
IAH-FCO
AUS-Anywhere but EWR/CLE/IAH

I think IAH-FCO may work seasonally but definitely not year round. FCO is one of those places where there are minimal loads in the winter months, a lot like ATH.

I would love to see EWR-DXB, EWR-KIX, IAH-GUM, EWR-TPE, EWR-JNB, and EWR-SIN. The last would be a bit of a challenge without a 77L.

I would say that EWR-ICN is a possibility once, and if, the 787s ever come on board. The lift and cargo abilities may be well balanced for that route to survive, though I don't think it would survive on a 772.

COFan Nov 20, 2008 9:20 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 10783684)
It's not just the people employed in the auto industry, it's the collateral effects of a Big 3 failure that will ruin the economy. You cannot just wipe out 5-10% of GDP overnight and not have devastating economic consequences. The failure of the Big 3 means the failure of up to 500 Tier 1 suppliers, 2500 Tier 2 suppliers, and 8000 (or some such) Tier 3 suppliers. Not only are the employees of those companies out of jobs, but their accountants, lawyers, financial advisors, raw material suppliers, and others no longer get work from them. That equals less income for those people, who then spend less in the economy, which drags the economy down even further, until the economy falls into a depression.

You raise valid concerns and I hear what you are saying. We are in a deep problem right now, however giving a bailout may only...(some would think will only) delay the inevitable; already we are seeing massive distrust and erosion of consumer confidence in this industry and in GM.

There is no easy way out of this mess, we are in tough times and will be for a while. I don’t think that pushing taxpayer money into these corporations is the right way to go. Remember we are talking about a product that no one likes, or wants…so why enable the problem more? I don’t want to sound callous and we ought to go about in a measured fashion, but the market needs to bear this out.


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