Oct 2, 2015, 3:08 am
Last edit by: sxc
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What are the best value segments under the new system?
Switching out of Marco Polo: What do you choose and why?
FAQs as answered by AgencyGuy:
When will the mid-tier benefits be awarded?
They will be awarded as the member hits the mid-tier milestone. Not at the end of the membership year. These will be valid for a year commencing the day they are granted. No points are deduced when members are awarded these benefits.
Does that mean a member reaching 1800 tier points will get all three mid-tier benefits?
Yes, each benefit will be made available as the member hits the 1400, 1600 and 1800 point milestones
What mid-tier benefits will be awarded as of the conversion date of 15 April 2016?
The mid-tier benefits will kick in automatically after 15th April, if your converted club points balance exceeds the mid-tier thresholds. So for a Diamond tier member, if your converted balance is 1800 points you will immediately have access to two first class lounge guest passes, four bookable upgrades and one companion Gold card.
A Gold member on his/her way to Diamond pick up four short/medium upgrades along the way, but a renewing Diamond gets nothing?
You are correct, Silver, Gold or Diamond members on their way to renewal, don’t get additional benefits until they reach the mid-tier thresholds. But they will get there, I guess the benefits are designed to recognize members who go the extra mile after they have passed their renewal thresholds.
Is there any requirement on the underlying booking sub-classes when using a mid-tier upgrade "coupon"?
Yes, the original flight needs to be booked in an “upgradable” sub-class, the same sub-classes that qualify for Asia Miles upgrades
Is economy upgraded to Premium Economy or business for flights with Premium Economy?
It is always a one class upgrade so Economy to Premium Economy, if a flight does not have Premium Economy then the upgrade is to Business.
Are the sub-classes for the upgraded bookings A, I, and E (if applicable)?
I don’t know what these subclasses are yet other than that they will be revenue instead of redemption sub-classes. I guess they will be announced later.
What miles will be awarded for a flight upgraded using a upgrade coupon? The original ticket class, or the upgraded class?
I understand that both points and miles will be credited based on the upgraded class.
Green Re-Qualification
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
What are the best value segments under the new system?
Switching out of Marco Polo: What do you choose and why?
FAQs as answered by AgencyGuy:
When will the mid-tier benefits be awarded?
They will be awarded as the member hits the mid-tier milestone. Not at the end of the membership year. These will be valid for a year commencing the day they are granted. No points are deduced when members are awarded these benefits.
Does that mean a member reaching 1800 tier points will get all three mid-tier benefits?
Yes, each benefit will be made available as the member hits the 1400, 1600 and 1800 point milestones
What mid-tier benefits will be awarded as of the conversion date of 15 April 2016?
The mid-tier benefits will kick in automatically after 15th April, if your converted club points balance exceeds the mid-tier thresholds. So for a Diamond tier member, if your converted balance is 1800 points you will immediately have access to two first class lounge guest passes, four bookable upgrades and one companion Gold card.
A Gold member on his/her way to Diamond pick up four short/medium upgrades along the way, but a renewing Diamond gets nothing?
You are correct, Silver, Gold or Diamond members on their way to renewal, don’t get additional benefits until they reach the mid-tier thresholds. But they will get there, I guess the benefits are designed to recognize members who go the extra mile after they have passed their renewal thresholds.
Is there any requirement on the underlying booking sub-classes when using a mid-tier upgrade "coupon"?
Yes, the original flight needs to be booked in an “upgradable” sub-class, the same sub-classes that qualify for Asia Miles upgrades
Is economy upgraded to Premium Economy or business for flights with Premium Economy?
It is always a one class upgrade so Economy to Premium Economy, if a flight does not have Premium Economy then the upgrade is to Business.
Are the sub-classes for the upgraded bookings A, I, and E (if applicable)?
I don’t know what these subclasses are yet other than that they will be revenue instead of redemption sub-classes. I guess they will be announced later.
What miles will be awarded for a flight upgraded using a upgrade coupon? The original ticket class, or the upgraded class?
I understand that both points and miles will be credited based on the upgraded class.
Green Re-Qualification
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
Changes to MPC announced for 15 Apr 2016
Apr 18, 2016, 7:30 am
#721
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Posts: 8,171
Apr 18, 2016, 7:41 am
#722
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
Apr 18, 2016, 8:04 pm
#723
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: AAdvantage Asia Miles Air China
Posts: 870
Impact of changes in points terms for me since 1 January 2016
I did a quick calculation of the what the impact of the changes for me for my flights and upcoming booked flights since 1 Jan 2016 and compared to AAdvantage for the fare buckets of the tickets I used. This is based upon a small amount of business plus a lot of long haul economy to the US, and completed flying before 31 May 2016, i.e. 5 months.
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
- CX Old System Earn 74,455 Miles 62% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System(1) Earn 485 Points 40% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System (2) Earn 330 Points 28% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- AA New System Earn 78,516 Miles 65% on way to earn EXP/OWE
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
- I would definitely renew on the old system.
- Just likely to fall short for diamond under the CX new system (if I do not fly CX).
- Might not even get gold if I fly same routes on CX.
- Have plenty to spare if I switch to AA.
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
Apr 18, 2016, 8:16 pm
#724
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: NYC
Programs: Marriot Am, MU Pt
Posts: 3,092
I did a quick calculation of the what the impact of the changes for me for my flights and upcoming booked flights since 1 Jan 2016 and compared to AAdvantage for the fare buckets of the tickets I used. This is based upon a small amount of business plus a lot of long haul economy to the US, and completed flying before 31 May 2016, i.e. 5 months.
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
- CX Old System Earn 74,455 Miles 62% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System(1) Earn 485 Points 40% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System (2) Earn 330 Points 28% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- AA New System Earn 78,516 Miles 65% on way to earn EXP/OWE
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
- I would definitely renew on the old system.
- Just likely to fall short for diamond under the CX new system (if I do not fly CX).
- Might not even get gold if I fly same routes on CX.
- Have plenty to spare if I switch to AA.
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
Apr 18, 2016, 10:27 pm
#725
Join Date: May 2006
Programs: AAdvatage Executive Platinum / Cathay Pacific Marco Polo Club - Green
Posts: 170
I did a quick calculation of the what the impact of the changes for me for my flights and upcoming booked flights since 1 Jan 2016 and compared to AAdvantage for the fare buckets of the tickets I used. This is based upon a small amount of business plus a lot of long haul economy to the US, and completed flying before 31 May 2016, i.e. 5 months.
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
I have also avoided flying CX for all these flights, though this has added one additional sector for each return trip.
- CX Old System Earn 74,455 Miles 62% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System(1) Earn 485 Points 40% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- CX New System (2) Earn 330 Points 28% on way to renew Diamond/OWE
- AA New System Earn 78,516 Miles 65% on way to earn EXP/OWE
1 Not flying CX but the airlines I did fly under the new points system.
2. If I had flown CX for the same routes.
As my flying patterns are roughly stable throughout the year, this means:
- I would definitely renew on the old system.
- Just likely to fall short for diamond under the CX new system (if I do not fly CX).
- Might not even get gold if I fly same routes on CX.
- Have plenty to spare if I switch to AA.
I just cannot make CX work for me, and on top by flying other airlines I have also reduced my travel spend significantly.
Diamonds and Golds under the old regime, flying PEY and Y, are in for a surprise if they have not done the maths.
Good luck and bon voyage!
Nicc HK
Under the new programme BA silver = CX silver in terms of difficulty to achieve
Apr 19, 2016, 1:10 am
#726
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond (OW Emerald), former SQ Krisflyer Gold
Posts: 2,527
I think this would be messy...
I filed a RT HKG-SIN flight claim in C... Today they credited me 1990 asia miles, but zero club points. Yes, ZERO, not even the direct converted points (20 based on miles, 18.75 based on sector), not to say that based on the new system (30 club points)
I believe they have a long long way to get such thing fixed
I filed a RT HKG-SIN flight claim in C... Today they credited me 1990 asia miles, but zero club points. Yes, ZERO, not even the direct converted points (20 based on miles, 18.75 based on sector), not to say that based on the new system (30 club points)
I believe they have a long long way to get such thing fixed
Apr 19, 2016, 1:16 am
#727
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Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,098
Apr 19, 2016, 2:56 am
#728
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: SIN
Programs: TK-G | Accor P | SQ-G | Marriott T
Posts: 3,831
Green Re-Qualification
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
Apr 19, 2016, 5:15 am
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Programs: Marriot Am, MU Pt
Posts: 3,092
Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 am
#732
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Apr 19, 2016, 8:12 pm
#733
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So just pay to rejoin. I'm sure there will be way to get it for free.
Apr 20, 2016, 4:29 am
#734
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: AAdvantage Asia Miles Air China
Posts: 870
AA EQMS and Revenue based system
Quote Alphaod "The only thing is AA is switching to revenue based so the question do you think you would still be able to earn after their switch?"
This to me is a little unclear so apologies for the delay in replying on this. Plus having to work!
AA changed on 1 January 2016 to status earnt based on EQMs not the mileage. This does not look like changing.
What I think is happening is the revenue based system is about what miles you earn in order to redeem.
The clearest description I could find is below.
For flights in the second half of 2016 and later (exact date to be announced in 2016) booked with American (ticket number beginning “001”) members will earn 5-11x of the dollar price of the base fare plus fuel surcharges based on status:
5 miles/U.S. dollar – AAdvantage member
7 miles/U.S. dollar – Gold
8 miles/U.S. dollar – Platinum
11 miles/U.S. dollar – Executive Platinum
This seems to mean status is based on class and fare bucket with a multiplier to give an EQM.
Mileage available for redemption will be based on a multiplier of miles times your AA Status value.
The old CX FF programme was wonderfully transparent, though even then hard to achieve status.
US Airlines FF programmes are seemingly the love child of a LSD inspired impressionist painting and a byzantine political machination.
This to me is a little unclear so apologies for the delay in replying on this. Plus having to work!
AA changed on 1 January 2016 to status earnt based on EQMs not the mileage. This does not look like changing.
What I think is happening is the revenue based system is about what miles you earn in order to redeem.
The clearest description I could find is below.
For flights in the second half of 2016 and later (exact date to be announced in 2016) booked with American (ticket number beginning “001”) members will earn 5-11x of the dollar price of the base fare plus fuel surcharges based on status:
5 miles/U.S. dollar – AAdvantage member
7 miles/U.S. dollar – Gold
8 miles/U.S. dollar – Platinum
11 miles/U.S. dollar – Executive Platinum
This seems to mean status is based on class and fare bucket with a multiplier to give an EQM.
Mileage available for redemption will be based on a multiplier of miles times your AA Status value.
The old CX FF programme was wonderfully transparent, though even then hard to achieve status.
US Airlines FF programmes are seemingly the love child of a LSD inspired impressionist painting and a byzantine political machination.