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This thread is the continuation of the discussion hosted in the BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition thread.
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2021 edition
#3121
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,106
When I had the same cancellation from SOF-LHR, they said I could drop the first leg but only with a re-price with LHR as a starting point, which was considerably more expensive. You may be luckier.
However, they let me change start point to OTP - which then didn't meet the other TATL flight timings, so they allowed me to re-schedule all of the connecting flights from LHR. You may be less lucky.
However, they let me change start point to OTP - which then didn't meet the other TATL flight timings, so they allowed me to re-schedule all of the connecting flights from LHR. You may be less lucky.
Confirmation of the change was sent by email and I just cancelled the positioning flight for an E. Voucher.
Depending on what is best for you, but if you want to start your trip from LHR, it might pay to try again and hope for an agent who will sort it out.
#3122
Join Date: May 2022
Programs: British Airways Silver
Posts: 3
Fantastic, thank you so much! I tried a similar routing with PMI and LIS, but didn't look at AGP, the others were much more expensive! Will try to make a holiday out of this haha
#3123
Join Date: Feb 2022
Posts: 45
Hi all, very new to the TP world and also bad at navigating FT so apologies in advance. I have my first TP run later this Aug (SOF-LHR-JFK-SFO, SAN-PHX-JFK-LHR-SOF), but BA have just cancelled the SOF-LHR on Aug 1st. They have put me on a new flight which leaves 2pm on the 2nd, but my LHR-JFK is supposed to happen at 9am on the 2nd. Have tried to contact BA but can't get through to the right department, they say they can't take my call and cut the line. Also no way online to change my flight so I'm pretty stuck.
I don't know what the rules are regarding changing from SOF to somewhere else, as I need to be on the JFK flight on the 2nd...Is this possible? Will it cost me to change?
Any advice would be gratefully received, apologies if this has been brought up before, I just can't seem to find anything.
Thanks
I don't know what the rules are regarding changing from SOF to somewhere else, as I need to be on the JFK flight on the 2nd...Is this possible? Will it cost me to change?
Any advice would be gratefully received, apologies if this has been brought up before, I just can't seem to find anything.
Thanks
If the SOF-JFK is a single ‘flight’ they normally rebook you but, as it’s a complex routing, I suspected it’s seen as multiple linked flights on a single booking (eg. SOF-LHR and LHR-JFK) and the computer just hasn’t registered the knock-on effect.
It’s a call to BA, sadly (try mid morning).
You can look at other ‘local’ airports within a few hundred miles. They might let you start in London but you need them to protect the ticket (so you’re not a ‘no-show’) and try your luck, making the argument that you have managed to source alternative travel from SOF to London as their change was not feasible… They won’t want proof but you need to be ‘seen’ to have started in SOF…
More likely, the whole ticket will be amended to catch-up so worth looking at what flights you’d like to be moved to (use Google flights or Matrix). They shouldn’t charge for the change, provided it’s same class and the same or a reasonable route.
#3125
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New York
Programs: Starwood, SQ PPS, BA EXEC
Posts: 136
Just saw this and don't forget the lyric from the hidden city ticket song "I fly up front paying less than coach...It's completely legal".....As long as travelers can improve their standard of travel for less than coach, they will try. And now with EUR/USD nearly at par it's even cheaper for U.S. based travelers to try to Euro based origins you mentioned. Regardless of where you stand on the hidden city ticket issue, the hidden city ticket song music video , which as I just saw is part of Involuntary Reroute, IS pretty funny
#3126
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New York
Programs: Starwood, SQ PPS, BA EXEC
Posts: 136
It may be surprising to some, but the hidden city music video is on the http://www.involuntaryreroute.com site
#3127
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 1,472
I have this itinerary booked a while ago (ignore price and flight numbers). Was going to happen sooner or later, but finally got notification that the first SOF-LHR leg is cancelled. Just trying to work out how best to proceed. It’s an AA ticket. I had them on the chat and they said I could either leave the day before or the day after. Or I could leave from another city like OTP. Seen upthread that someone was able to get the departure city changed to LHR without repricing. But I kind of wanted to rack up the TPs and I’ve got a friend on Sofia to catch up with anyway. And I already have positioning flights booked. So I’m leaning towards leaving the day before as this will give me an extra day in SF. It’s a BA cancellation so wondering if they will let me change the positioning flight (separate PNR obviously) to a day before as well. Keeping current positioning flight would end up making this a B2B on the 11th. Not sure I fancy the emotional stress of a B2B before this trip. The other thing is that I was not too happy about the silly long layover in JFK and the past midnight arrival into SFO. If I change to a day earlier, will AA let me modify the itinerary to get on an earlier JFK-SFO rather than keep the exact same flights?
So really I’m not asking too much. Just a.) start the whole thing a day earlier, b.) BA to let me move my positioning flight to a day earlier and c.) AA to let me switch to slightly more convenient time on JFK-SFO. I’d just like some guidance so I know how to play it when I call them tomorrow. Or is there any advantage to just waiting to see what other cancellations or schedule changes come up?
Edit: in MMB I can currently change the positioning flight to the 10th for £8. If I can get the rest to work, I’d happily donate £8 towards the new management team’s bonus pool to avoid 2hours on hold!
Last edited by RichieMc; May 13, 2022 at 2:50 pm
#3128
Moderator: Hyatt Gold Passport & Star Alliance
Join Date: May 1998
Location: London, UK
Programs: UA-1K 3MM/HY- LT Globalist/BA-GGL/GfL
Posts: 12,090
Or I could leave from another city like OTP. Seen upthread that someone was able to get the departure city changed to LHR without repricing. But I kind of wanted to rack up the TPs and I’ve got a friend on Sofia to catch up with anyway. And I already have positioning flights booked. So I’m leaning towards leaving the day before as this will give me an extra day in SF. It’s a BA cancellation so wondering if they will let me change the positioning flight (separate PNR obviously) to a day before as well. Keeping current positioning flight would end up making this a B2B on the 11th. Not sure I fancy the emotional stress of a B2B before this trip. The other thing is that I was not too happy about the silly long layover in JFK and the past midnight arrival into SFO. If I change to a day earlier, will AA let me modify the itinerary to get on an earlier JFK-SFO rather than keep the exact same flights?
So really I’m not asking too much. Just a.) start the whole thing a day earlier, b.) BA to let me move my positioning flight to a day earlier and c.) AA to let me switch to slightly more convenient time on JFK-SFO. I’d just like some guidance so I know how to play it when I call them tomorrow. Or is there any advantage to just waiting to see what other cancellations or schedule changes come up?
Edit: in MMB I can currently change the positioning flight to the 10th for £8. If I can get the rest to work, I’d happily donate £8 towards the new management team’s bonus pool to avoid 2hours on hold!
So really I’m not asking too much. Just a.) start the whole thing a day earlier, b.) BA to let me move my positioning flight to a day earlier and c.) AA to let me switch to slightly more convenient time on JFK-SFO. I’d just like some guidance so I know how to play it when I call them tomorrow. Or is there any advantage to just waiting to see what other cancellations or schedule changes come up?
Edit: in MMB I can currently change the positioning flight to the 10th for £8. If I can get the rest to work, I’d happily donate £8 towards the new management team’s bonus pool to avoid 2hours on hold!
AA are a lot less flexible in my experience with dropping segments than BA are.
BA might help by changing the positioning flights but as you have an AA ticket it would very much depend on BA agent, so you may need to hang up and try again if you get a 'No' Otherwise I would pay the £8!
#3129
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Wolverhampton
Programs: BA Silver, Hilton Diamond, Marriot Gold, Radisson Gold, Amex Platinum
Posts: 1,608
It's hitting around 6 months to get to Christmas, and I've binned the Hawaii flights because of hotel prices, so looking at San Diego. Got a non TPish (not via JFK, just direct) for about 1350 ex dub, and we're helped by a spare cancelled dublin flight floating around in the BA ether. BUD prices the same, CDG not at all. Any other starting points currently good for the west coast fares six months out?
#3130
If anyone is interested the
BUD (40) HEL (80) LHR (210) JFK (40) MIA (210) GRU return for 1160tps and 2750gbp in First class (A) is still available (BA+AA+AY)
BUD (40) HEL (80) LHR (210) JFK (40) MIA (210) GRU return for 1160tps and 2750gbp in First class (A) is still available (BA+AA+AY)
#3131
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 1,472
I have this itinerary booked a while ago (ignore price and flight numbers). Was going to happen sooner or later, but finally got notification that the first SOF-LHR leg is cancelled. Just trying to work out how best to proceed. It’s an AA ticket. I had them on the chat and they said I could either leave the day before or the day after. Or I could leave from another city like OTP. Seen upthread that someone was able to get the departure city changed to LHR without repricing. But I kind of wanted to rack up the TPs and I’ve got a friend on Sofia to catch up with anyway. And I already have positioning flights booked. So I’m leaning towards leaving the day before as this will give me an extra day in SF. It’s a BA cancellation so wondering if they will let me change the positioning flight (separate PNR obviously) to a day before as well. Keeping current positioning flight would end up making this a B2B on the 11th. Not sure I fancy the emotional stress of a B2B before this trip. The other thing is that I was not too happy about the silly long layover in JFK and the past midnight arrival into SFO. If I change to a day earlier, will AA let me modify the itinerary to get on an earlier JFK-SFO rather than keep the exact same flights?
So really I’m not asking too much. Just a.) start the whole thing a day earlier, b.) BA to let me move my positioning flight to a day earlier and c.) AA to let me switch to slightly more convenient time on JFK-SFO. I’d just like some guidance so I know how to play it when I call them tomorrow. Or is there any advantage to just waiting to see what other cancellations or schedule changes come up?
Edit: in MMB I can currently change the positioning flight to the 10th for £8. If I can get the rest to work, I’d happily donate £8 towards the new management team’s bonus pool to avoid 2hours on hold!
Last edited by RichieMc; May 15, 2022 at 12:11 pm
#3132
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: UK
Programs: BA GfL & GGL, FB Platinum, MB Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,403
AA have also re-times my SFO-JFK to the 6:20am departure. That’s a 2 hour earlier than the original scheduled flight and really impacts sleep.
I’m also considering Jet Blue but will probably stick with AA.
I’m also considering Jet Blue but will probably stick with AA.
#3133
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 1,683
I was booked on AA274 and AA104, LAX-JFK-LHR. These flights still seem to be running but AA unprompted rebooked me on a LAX-LHR direct. As it happens I’ll have needed TP anyway, and it suits me better to fly direct. Just wondered if this is a regular thing when nothing else seems to have changed. Do they trawl through bookings looking to free up space on certain flights. I’ve had loads of AA changes, but usually only when flights get cancelled or re-timed.
#3134
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,770
I'm sure AA move anyone who looks as if they're on a TP run
I've been moved a few times, without informing me, from say 11am flights (when I've planned a nice lie in), 7:30am etc. flights to 6/6:30am ones. They probably assume you just want to fly so you're not fussed when you go, so they'll free up space for someone potentially more important who needs a seat on a specific flight.
I don't mind leaving at 6:30am from JFK. Bit of a pain arriving at 9:50pm and not getting to a hotel until towards 10:30pm-11pm, and then having to be up by 4:30am. Nice arriving into SFO by 10:30am though.
Most people in business seem to sleep with the blinds down on the early transcon flights to and from JFK.
At least BA have kindly changed a couple of flights for me so I can avoid this this time. Still 2-3 months to go, so expecting to get into double figures change wise.
I've been moved a few times, without informing me, from say 11am flights (when I've planned a nice lie in), 7:30am etc. flights to 6/6:30am ones. They probably assume you just want to fly so you're not fussed when you go, so they'll free up space for someone potentially more important who needs a seat on a specific flight.
I don't mind leaving at 6:30am from JFK. Bit of a pain arriving at 9:50pm and not getting to a hotel until towards 10:30pm-11pm, and then having to be up by 4:30am. Nice arriving into SFO by 10:30am though.
Most people in business seem to sleep with the blinds down on the early transcon flights to and from JFK.
At least BA have kindly changed a couple of flights for me so I can avoid this this time. Still 2-3 months to go, so expecting to get into double figures change wise.
#3135
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,061
No, but the algorithm picks what it thinks the customer wants - which for the vast majority of people is the quickest/shortest route. You can always call to change it back if you want. IIRC the cutoff for AA used to be about 4 hours - so if your original connection was longer than that, the algorithm would route you the same way as it decided you want to go to the intermediate point as well. That could have changed in the last few years though.