Aug 17, 2015, 9:59 am
Last edit by: WindowSeatFlyer
NOTE: Discussion here is for the Boeing 777-200ERs refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only.
See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
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See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
Related threads
Aircraft guide: Which 777-200ER / 772 / 777? (As of 11 Dec 2018)
772 Refitted 777-200ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats
Best 772 Zodiac J Refitted 777-200ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Best 772 B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200ER MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business
Jan 26, 2018, 8:49 am
#451
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6 out of 34 planes with the 10-row configuration have the rocky Zodiac J seats that are the subject of this thread. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell which seats your plane will have until the inbound plane departs from DFW (or wherever in the US it's coming from)--although since LHR is such a large outstation for AA, they may still swap aircraft right up until departure.
The quoted post lists seats without the rocking issue in the 12-row configuration. They are the same for the 10-row Zodiac configuration, except row 12 is obviously replaced by row 10.
The quoted post lists seats without the rocking issue in the 12-row configuration. They are the same for the 10-row Zodiac configuration, except row 12 is obviously replaced by row 10.
Are you saying that there are 34 planes with the 10-row J Zodiac seats?
And of those 34 planes, 6 have been retrofitted or fixed or whatever, so that NONE of the Zodiac J seats have the seat motion issue?
(I know that there are specific seats, like 7? that don't connect via the head portion that are "immune" to the seat motion issue).
Jan 26, 2018, 12:51 pm
#453
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I'm confused (easily--haha).
Are you saying that there are 34 planes with the 10-row J Zodiac seats?
And of those 34 planes, 6 have been retrofitted or fixed or whatever, so that NONE of the Zodiac J seats have the seat motion issue?
(I know that there are specific seats, like 7? that don't connect via the head portion that are "immune" to the seat motion issue).
Are you saying that there are 34 planes with the 10-row J Zodiac seats?
And of those 34 planes, 6 have been retrofitted or fixed or whatever, so that NONE of the Zodiac J seats have the seat motion issue?
(I know that there are specific seats, like 7? that don't connect via the head portion that are "immune" to the seat motion issue).
There are 47 772, 13 of them have 45 business seats (know as High-J) with 12 rows (easy to spot on AA seat map), all 13 have Zodiac seats. Then there are 6 772 with 37 Business Class seats (know as low-J) with 10 row in Business that have Zodiac seats, and 28 772 (low-J) with Super Diamond Aerospace seats.
Jan 26, 2018, 1:36 pm
#454
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"6 out of 34" means that 6 772 with 10 rows in Business Class (know as low-J) have Zodiac seats.
There are 47 772, 13 of them have 45 business seats (know as High-J) with 12 rows (easy to spot on AA seat map), all 13 have Zodiac seats. Then there are 6 772 with 37 Business Class seats (know as low-J) with 10 row in Business that have Zodiac seats, and 28 772 (low-J) with Super Diamond Aerospace seats.
There are 47 772, 13 of them have 45 business seats (know as High-J) with 12 rows (easy to spot on AA seat map), all 13 have Zodiac seats. Then there are 6 772 with 37 Business Class seats (know as low-J) with 10 row in Business that have Zodiac seats, and 28 772 (low-J) with Super Diamond Aerospace seats.
So basically:
If you're on a 772, and it has 10 rows of J, you have a 6 out of 34 chance of having Zodiac seats (because 6 of the 10-row 772 configs have Zodiacs).
The other 28 have Super Diamond.
All of the Zodiac seats (regardless of 12 row, 10 row, etc.) on the 772 have the seat movement issue.
Still?
(And it's been like how many years now?)
Jan 26, 2018, 3:50 pm
#455
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Oh OK.
So basically:
If you're on a 772, and it has 10 rows of J, you have a 6 out of 34 chance of having Zodiac seats (because 6 of the 10-row 772 configs have Zodiacs).
The other 28 have Super Diamond.
All of the Zodiac seats (regardless of 12 row, 10 row, etc.) on the 772 have the seat movement issue.
Still?
(And it's been like how many years now?)
So basically:
If you're on a 772, and it has 10 rows of J, you have a 6 out of 34 chance of having Zodiac seats (because 6 of the 10-row 772 configs have Zodiacs).
The other 28 have Super Diamond.
All of the Zodiac seats (regardless of 12 row, 10 row, etc.) on the 772 have the seat movement issue.
Still?
(And it's been like how many years now?)
Jan 31, 2018, 12:39 am
#456
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I am travelling on AA 136 in less than a week on 772 in Business Class. I have three seats reserved including one for my 18 month old infant.
The seats are in Reverse Herringbone config with forward and rear facing seats. I assume these will be the Zodiac seats and not the Super Diamomnd Seats
My wife will be sitting next to my infant and I dont know which seat will be best, Right now I have 5 D and H reserved for them, will that work well?
The other option i see is Row 7 D and H for them with me taking 8A.
Seats 7-12 D-H are open, only 8A and 9A are the only window seats still available.
All tips and advice would be appreciated,
The seats are in Reverse Herringbone config with forward and rear facing seats. I assume these will be the Zodiac seats and not the Super Diamomnd Seats
My wife will be sitting next to my infant and I dont know which seat will be best, Right now I have 5 D and H reserved for them, will that work well?
The other option i see is Row 7 D and H for them with me taking 8A.
Seats 7-12 D-H are open, only 8A and 9A are the only window seats still available.
All tips and advice would be appreciated,
Last edited by navatwal; Jan 31, 2018 at 1:06 am
Jan 31, 2018, 7:30 am
#457
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I am travelling on AA 136 in less than a week on 772 in Business Class. I have three seats reserved including one for my 18 month old infant.
The seats are in Reverse Herringbone config with forward and rear facing seats. I assume these will be the Zodiac seats and not the Super Diamomnd Seats
My wife will be sitting next to my infant and I dont know which seat will be best, Right now I have 5 D and H reserved for them, will that work well?
The other option i see is Row 7 D and H for them with me taking 8A.
Seats 7-12 D-H are open, only 8A and 9A are the only window seats still available.
All tips and advice would be appreciated,
The seats are in Reverse Herringbone config with forward and rear facing seats. I assume these will be the Zodiac seats and not the Super Diamomnd Seats
My wife will be sitting next to my infant and I dont know which seat will be best, Right now I have 5 D and H reserved for them, will that work well?
The other option i see is Row 7 D and H for them with me taking 8A.
Seats 7-12 D-H are open, only 8A and 9A are the only window seats still available.
All tips and advice would be appreciated,
On the 45J 772, I think 5D/H are the best for your wife and infant. I did this with my young child last summer. They are rear-facing and the heads are close together. It will be easy for your wife to care for your child in this configuration, since they will be closer together.
Jan 31, 2018, 11:14 am
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I have just switched to the earlier flight (AA108) with three class config and all forward facing seats, I beleive these are the Super Diamond Seats, should i stick with the center seats? Are they close and good for taking care of an infant?
Jan 31, 2018, 11:34 am
#459
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And yes, the center seats are best for parent+infant, IMO. I've done it a few times on this plane.
Feb 2, 2018, 9:51 am
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https://thepointsguy.com/2017/07/aa-...777-200-fleet/
so there is a way to figure out if you're getting the zodiac or be seats.
Unfortunately we're on the v4 with crappy zodiac seats.
so there is a way to figure out if you're getting the zodiac or be seats.
Unfortunately we're on the v4 with crappy zodiac seats.
The Zodiac seat is not all that bad, honestly. In some ways, I like it more than the Cirrus or Super Diamond. In others, not as much.
Feb 2, 2018, 5:38 pm
#462
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Still not sure which config
I'll post the tail number later. We're on AA flight 119 from DFW to OFF that left 2/2 at 11:10 a.m.
The seats are not alternating reverse. They all face forward.
No divider at all between the two middle seats. You can open up the two little storage areas as a makeshift divider.
I had the window seat, so I can't comment on any movement. This plane does have the 10 row first class and the PE section as well.
I find the seats to be very comfortable, even in the full and upright position. Haha
Bathroom on the left side of the plane is huge, probably due to the changing station in there.
The seats are not alternating reverse. They all face forward.
No divider at all between the two middle seats. You can open up the two little storage areas as a makeshift divider.
I had the window seat, so I can't comment on any movement. This plane does have the 10 row first class and the PE section as well.
I find the seats to be very comfortable, even in the full and upright position. Haha
Bathroom on the left side of the plane is huge, probably due to the changing station in there.
Feb 3, 2018, 11:24 am
#463
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I'll post the tail number later. We're on AA flight 119 from DFW to OFF that left 2/2 at 11:10 a.m.
The seats are not alternating reverse. They all face forward.
No divider at all between the two middle seats. You can open up the two little storage areas as a makeshift divider.
I had the window seat, so I can't comment on any movement. This plane does have the 10 row first class and the PE section as well.
I find the seats to be very comfortable, even in the full and upright position. Haha
Bathroom on the left side of the plane is huge, probably due to the changing station in there.
The seats are not alternating reverse. They all face forward.
No divider at all between the two middle seats. You can open up the two little storage areas as a makeshift divider.
I had the window seat, so I can't comment on any movement. This plane does have the 10 row first class and the PE section as well.
I find the seats to be very comfortable, even in the full and upright position. Haha
Bathroom on the left side of the plane is huge, probably due to the changing station in there.
Feb 5, 2018, 8:41 am
#464
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Is there any update on the 772 middle dividers in J situation? From what I've read, it seems that there has been little rhyme or reason to whether the dividers are up or down, but that in some cases, the dividers on the rear facing seats are up and those in the forward facing seats are down - at least in the second cabin. And in some cases, members are reporting that the dividers were working properly, on multiple flights.
Have the dividers been fixed or is there any "official" way they are being set in the up or down position e.g. up for rear facing, down for forward facing? I am travelling GIG-JFK in J with my wife and two kids and trying to figure out where to choose seats given the apparent ongoing divider issue is a pain.
Thanks for any new news.
Have the dividers been fixed or is there any "official" way they are being set in the up or down position e.g. up for rear facing, down for forward facing? I am travelling GIG-JFK in J with my wife and two kids and trying to figure out where to choose seats given the apparent ongoing divider issue is a pain.
Thanks for any new news.
Last edited by stuartma; Feb 5, 2018 at 9:30 am
Feb 5, 2018, 1:23 pm
#465
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Hi all - I've done my best to read through this thread and make sense of the many (sometimes conflicting) data points. Thanks for all of the info! I'm sending two friends to Milan (JFK-MXP) in May on AA198. I want them to be able to see each other and interact, and since there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to predict whether the dividers in the center seats will be up or down, I selected 1H and 1L for them. Good call? Don't suppose anyone has insight into seat considerations on this particular flight?