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Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business

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Boeing "777" / CIP Refitted 777-223ER / Zodiac "Concept D Business Suite" Discussion
No First Class; Full Flat Aisle Access Business, Aft and Forward Facing

NOTE: Discussion here is for the 772 refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only. All 45J have been refitted to 37J.

See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here. Note:

Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly View Post
FYI fleet site is wrong for N779AN.

It shows Zodiac but I am currently sitting on board and it’s all forward facing BE seats.


State of the Seat / quick explanation on the different versions of 777-200ER:

Originally Posted by econometrics View Post
Just note that now, here is the updated info (as of 10 Dec 2018):

AA has 47 777-200ER (772) planes flying.

5 of them HAD 45 biz seats (45J), and flew almost exclusively from LAX, JFK and RDU. They have Zodiac forward/rear facing seats.

All of them have 37 biz seats (37J) and fly through all the hubs with 772 routes. (The last two 2 are at KPAE getting refit as of 7 Dec 2018)

28 have Super Diamond seats

19 have Zodiac seats.


Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet) threads list:



FEATURES:
  • Zodiac "Concept D" seats "connected at the head" are subject to motion induced by connected seat. Seats not "connected at the head include 1A (NOT 1L); 7A&L; 10 or 12A&L (see post #1 illustrations), depending on business cabin size - the last window seats in J. generally, aft-facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space. AA is in the process of modifying the Zodiac seat to eliminate this "motion over the ocean" issue.

  • Aft-facing seats seem roomier at shoulder level when reclined than forward facing seats.

  • Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations.



Originally Posted by fredshino View Post
I was looking at the seat maps and I'm not sure this is correct. It seems like the seat pairs are connected by the "head" side. The only seats that don't look connected are:

1 A, D, H
7 A, L
12 A, L

  • Avoid: 6L, too close to lav, galley; row 12 is separated from coach by a fabric net and it an be noisy.

  • Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.

  • Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.

  • Privacy dividers between Business middle seats D and H were delivered not working properly. AA has dealt with this by "locking" D-H privacy dividers up, down or alternating with (usually) odd seat rows (facing forward) dividers down, even (facing aft) up. FAs can not change this; it is apparently done by maintenance crew. This is also under repair.

  • Cabin lighting is 787 style; suite lighting includes a swiveling but flat two intensity LED and a traditional overhead lamp.

  • Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.

  • In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110 VAC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)

  • The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.

  • General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.

  • IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.

  • WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi

  • Bose noise reducing headsets are provided in J; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.

  • A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.

  • Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.


Resources and threads of interest:



Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, in favor of 777 now.


  • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.


See: 77D / Refit 777-200ER / 772 / CIP: No First; New Business Rollout Starts 2014 (consolidated) for early and general discussion.

Connecting Seat Issues - Listing of which tail numbers seem to be affected (not fixed) by connecting seat-induced motion:
  • I flow a 772 v3 with Zodiac last week (N765AN) and I can confirm the rocking connected seats still has not been resolved.
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Old May 9, 12, 12:05 pm
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Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business

Four of 47 777-223ER hulls had been refitted as of August 2015, it was time to start a thread on Business seating for this aircraft.

Note illustrations here. The seats that are "attached at the head" are the ones that are subject to movement induced by the attached chair unit - "motion over the ocean".

AA has stated they will remediate the issue, but any stiffeners or hardware changes must be STCd by the FAA. This means it is likely to take some time to accomplish elimination of the induced motion.

NOTE: According to econometrics, the first 45J aircraft has gone to Paine Field for refitting to 37J on 30 Sep 2018. All 45J will be reconfigured to 37J and be fitted with Premium Economy, probably by summer of 2019.

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Old Aug 18, 15, 9:35 am
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I've chosen 3A, rear-facing window seat. I've had rear-facing seats on BA 747 UD. and do like to fly like that.
Any comments on 3a from anyone on here?
No missing windows etc? I seem to be good at choosing those seats!
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Old Aug 19, 15, 3:44 pm
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I was in 9L, a rear-facing window seat, and it was quite nice. It seems that there is a bit more shoulder room in the rear-facing seats as the "shell" opens up at the window. No missing window at 9, can't comment on 3, sorry, but if your goal is to look out of it, rear-facing may not be right for you as you'll be angled away from it.
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Have the dividers between the middle pairs of seats been unlocked yet, or are they still permanently in the up position? I have rear-facing pairs reserved for my wife and I, but will switch if that divider is still up.
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Old Aug 24, 15, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by VNAFlyer View Post
Have the dividers between the middle pairs of seats been unlocked yet, or are they still permanently in the up position? I have rear-facing pairs reserved for my wife and I, but will switch if that divider is still up.
Have the same question here. My partner and I are flying GIG-JFK in January, currently in 3D/H. If the divider doesn't go down, then I'm tempted to put us in windows facing each other.
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Originally Posted by bherman View Post
Have the same question here. My partner and I are flying GIG-JFK in January, currently in 3D/H. If the divider doesn't go down, then I'm tempted to put us in windows facing each other.
I wouldn't expect any change to it yet. Maybe they've been able to fix them so that they move given the delivery delays for other refits, but until I hear it from someone here I wouldn't count on it.
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Flying business class JFK to LHR on 772, retrofitted 777-200 What seats are best for a couple...windows preferred...but.
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Retrofitted as in 1-2-1? No pair is particularly good for couples. Take two across the aisle or windows one behind the other and enjoy!
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Flying business class JFK to LHR on 772, retrofitted 777-200 What seats are best for a couple...windows preferred...but.
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Any suggestion for good seats for a family of four.mtwo adults, one teenager and an infant (who won't have their own seat)?

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Any suggestion for good seats for a family of four.mtwo adults, one teenager and an infant (who won't have their own seat)?

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I would say at least for the adult holding the infant, take a forward-facing seat for more additional elbow room and ease of blocking the aisle access, in case the infant can walk/run/escape like a ninja. Then perhaps the two seats immediately across the aisle, which will end up being 1 forward/1 rear-facing.
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Are these the same seats as the ones they installed on the 787 Dreamliner? As many of you must know, there have been a lot of complaints about those seats. If anyone has actual experience, I would love to know if these seats are attached to one another like those on the Dreamliner and, if so, is there one which is not attached? Apparently the movement when your seatmate moves is significant and, to many, quite disturbing.
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Originally Posted by SF Traveler View Post
Are these the same seats as the ones they installed on the 787 Dreamliner? As many of you must know, there have been a lot of complaints about those seats. If anyone has actual experience, I would love to know if these seats are attached to one another like those on the Dreamliner and, if so, is there one which is not attached? Apparently the movement when your seatmate moves is significant and, to many, quite disturbing.
They are the same seats and likely have the same issues, I believe. To figure out which ones are not attached, just look at the seat map, and see which ones don't have their backs attached to each other (those are the connected ones). They are only a handful of them I believe that are not connected, typically at the edges of each cabin. Look at the actual seatmap at booking, because I think the seatguru seatmap is different and wrong.
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Originally Posted by SF Traveler View Post
Are these the same seats as the ones they installed on the 787 Dreamliner? As many of you must know, there have been a lot of complaints about those seats. If anyone has actual experience, I would love to know if these seats are attached to one another like those on the Dreamliner and, if so, is there one which is not attached? Apparently the movement when your seatmate moves is significant and, to many, quite disturbing.
Same problem on each version (787 and 77D/772 CIP) of the seat.
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