Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm

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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: ~~9,091~~ -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)

Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)

North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)

North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)

North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100

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Oct 30, 2015, 2:34 pm

#106

Pseudo Nim

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Time to go back to RAR...

Quoted 9,170 for NRT-RAR. Which is great considering direct is 5,500 or so ... until you realise there's only three originating airports - LAX (can't connect in another IATA zone), SYD (flight is like twice a week) and AKL (daily flight that NZ used to release unlimited space on, but that seems to have disappeared). Doh! Good luck getting from TYO to AKL, too...

Oct 30, 2015, 11:20 pm

#107

GeorgeO

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Oct 30, 2015, 11:43 pm

#108

Pseudo Nim

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeO

Trying to book a J Class mini-RTW for summer 2016, starting from Germany covering Cape Town, Bali and Tokyo.

1. DUS – CPT (stopover)
2. CPT – DPS (destination, via SIN)
3. DPS – NRT (stopover, via SIN)
4. NRT – DUS

- Does this one look attainable MPM wise?
- 2. and 3. I’d prefer SQ. How about J Class availability? Is it true SQ offers few J reward seats?
- What are the better airlines for segment 4 seat/comfort wise? ANA, SWISS, or someone else?

Thanks for the advice!

Please post this into the mini RTW thread ... you might get more traction there. This thread should be only for discussing the new MPM rules and the audience may not know as much about your question...

[edit] you did (cross) post. I recommend not doing that... makes people feel a lot less helpful.

Nov 9, 2015, 1:30 pm

#109

mattc2

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YYZ-GVA-ATH-IST-PEK-BKK

where the stops are ATH and PEK, I was quoted 11945. Seems like there is a slight variation on the MPM depends on the stopovers.

I also asked what the MPM is for going to HKT instead of BKK, but the agent said it's the same since they are in the same country

had a feeling she's BSing me even though I pushed for her to double check.

Nov 9, 2015, 3:16 pm

#110

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattc2

I also asked what the MPM is for going to HKT instead of BKK, but the agent said it's the same since they are in the same country

Ask her if the MPM for YYZ-HKT is the same as YVR-HKT

Nov 9, 2015, 4:06 pm

#111

d00little

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I notice from the wiki that YYC-BKK is 9776. Does that apply both ways, over the Pacific and Atlantic? That doesn't seem to offer much flexibility if travelling via the Atlantic.

Nov 11, 2015, 9:57 am

#112

jerryhung

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d00little

I notice from the wiki that YYC-BKK is 9776. Does that apply both ways, over the Pacific and Atlantic? That doesn't seem to offer much flexibility if travelling via the Atlantic.

It's just ONE magic/unknown number now, for either ocean

Let us know if AP says a different MPM number otherwise

Dec 7, 2015, 9:57 am

#113

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Dear whoever put YEG-KUL/PNH in Asia 1: I hate you. I planned an entire itinerary before realising it's Asia 2

Can someone with distinction status ask for the MPM on YEG-SGN or YYC-SIN?

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Dec 7, 2015, 10:40 am

#114

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pewpew

Dear whoever put YEG-KUL/PNH in Asia 1: I hate you. I planned an entire itinerary before realising it's Asia 2

Can someone with distinction status ask for the MPM on YEG-SGN or YYC-SIN?

Where's the tongue-in-cheek smiley? It's only 5K difference, even after Dec 15th.

It weren't moi, btw...but, we could look at the history to rat out the culprit

When I've been asking for MPM, the agents have been reluctant to tell me, and suggested that it varies by the routing chosen (airlines selected). Could this be true? Or were they just blowing smoke at me?

FWIW, I was on hold for 20mins last night, longest ever as a "valued Diamond member". People must be tying up the lines as they forge out a redemption before Devaluation-DoomsDay-Dec15th.

Dec 7, 2015, 11:23 am

#115

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JJonahJ

Where's the tongue-in-cheek smiley? It's only 5K difference, even after Dec 15th.

Oh, interesting. I didn't notice that Asia 1/2 and Australia in J aren't changing. This makes my life significantly less stressful

Dec 7, 2015, 11:45 am

#116

JJonahJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pewpew

Oh, interesting. I didn't notice that Asia 1/2 and Australia in J aren't changing. This makes my life significantly less stressful

Yep, 150K/155K respectively for Asia1/Asia2.

Ahh, I thought Australia in J was going up too. Good to know it isn't. So for us in Nuk-Nuk Land, it will remain at 160K to Australia in J, post Dec 15th. The cattle-class Y redemption goes up 10K, from 80K to 90K.

Now, put the safety pin back on that stun gun. And, no need to out anyone.

Dec 8, 2015, 4:52 pm

#117

BA Humbug

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wiki updated: YYZ-ARN 6099 (quoted)

Dec 9, 2015, 2:18 am

#118

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JJonahJ

Definitely true. That's why you need to to take quotes with a grain of salt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJonahJ

FWIW, I was on hold for 20mins last night, longest ever as a "valued Diamond member". People must be tying up the lines as they forge out a redemption before Devaluation-DoomsDay-Dec15th.

AP has drastically reduced their call centre staff and coupled with the Dec 15th deadline, is why you are experiencing longer than normal wait times on the diamond line.

Dec 9, 2015, 2:20 am

#119

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d00little

I notice from the wiki that YYC-BKK is 9776. Does that apply both ways, over the Pacific and Atlantic? That doesn't seem to offer much flexibility if travelling via the Atlantic.

Ding! Ding! We have a winner for figuring out why AP rolled out these changes!

Dec 9, 2015, 2:25 am

#120

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryhung

It's just ONE magic/unknown number now, for either ocean

Let us know if AP says a different MPM number otherwise

If they do, then they are quoting the old MPM which often specifies whether one can go TPAC or TATL. If the amount comes to M5 or M0 then you know they are looking at the old sheet.