Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
Last edit by: yerffej201
="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)
May 8, 2015, 10:24 am
#61
Join Date: Mar 2008
Programs: Aeroplan E, Asiamiles, Skymiles GM
Posts: 26
I do not have enough posts to update the wiki. Could someone add this information? From AP 5/8/2015
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-HKG 9113
YEG-SIN 11377
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-BKK 10382
YYZ-BKK 11905
YYZ-HKG 10957
I booked YEG-YYZ-LHR-FRA-BKK-PNH.
Also what do the cs and qs mean?
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-HKG 9113
YEG-SIN 11377
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-BKK 10382
YYZ-BKK 11905
YYZ-HKG 10957
I booked YEG-YYZ-LHR-FRA-BKK-PNH.
Also what do the cs and qs mean?
Last edited by aaleem; May 8, 2015 at 10:54 am
May 8, 2015, 12:17 pm
#62
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I am not sure what CS or QS mean either. I think Q is for Quoted as in quoted by AP agent
May 8, 2015, 1:15 pm
#63
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: YYC
Programs: Aeroplan E50K, Marriott Titanium/Lifetime Platinum, Accor Diamond
Posts: 274
I got a couple of revised quotes which differ from the amounts I previously reported shortly after the routing rules changeover:
YYC-BKK - 10,557
YYZ-BKK - 11,955
I was able to book YYZ-ORD-NRT,HND-BKK-MUC-AMS-VIE-FRA-ORD-YYZ which comes in slightly lower than the MPM at 11,554
YYC-BKK - 10,557
YYZ-BKK - 11,955
I was able to book YYZ-ORD-NRT,HND-BKK-MUC-AMS-VIE-FRA-ORD-YYZ which comes in slightly lower than the MPM at 11,554
May 8, 2015, 3:04 pm
#64
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SE, FOTSG Platinum
Posts: 5,731
So I've been playing around with some of the allowable MPMs quoted in this thread, vs. the shortest-flyable route I can find on any *A airline (so, for example, I don't accept the FRA-NRT routing which LH will sell, but which is mostly flown on QR metal).
What I'm finding is that "new MPM" is basically a multiplier of 1.3-1.4 against the shortest flyable route, with a 5-10% higher allowance for non-hub locations like YEG.
This is utterly non-scientific, and assumes all MPMs submitted to this thread are actual, so take it with a big ol' handful of salt,
But, if you're looking at an itinerary that comes to 1.6x shortest-flyable, you probably don't need to waste your time calling it in, and if you're looking at 1.2x, you're probably pretty safe.
IF these numbers are any kind of accurate, and that's a big IF, it suggests that there is no fixed multiplier; for example, MPM vs. direct YVR-HKG and direct YYZ-HKG come in at different multiples.
Have a look:
YVR-HKG: SF = YVR-HKG @ 6,380, MPM = 8,381 = 1.31
YYZ-HKG: SF = YYZ-HKG @ 7,806, MPM = 10,957 = 1.40
YYZ-NRT: SF = YYZ-NRT @ 6,407, MPM = 9,049 = 1.41
YYZ-BKK: SF = YYZ-HKG-BKK @ 8,856, MPM = 11,955 = 1.35
YEG-SIN: SF = YEG-YVR-HKG-SIN @ 8,479, MPM = 11,377 = 1.34
YEG-KUL: SF = YEG-YVR-HKG-KUL @ 8,465, MPM = 13,301 = 1.57
YUL-DPS: SF = YUL-YYZ-TPE-DPS @ 11,077, MPM = 16,240 = 1.47
YUL-AMS: SF = YUL-FRA-AMS @ 3,869, MPM = 6,075 = 1.57
YOW-AMS: SF = YOW-YYZ-AMS @ 3,952, MPM = 6,230 = 1.58
What I'm finding is that "new MPM" is basically a multiplier of 1.3-1.4 against the shortest flyable route, with a 5-10% higher allowance for non-hub locations like YEG.
This is utterly non-scientific, and assumes all MPMs submitted to this thread are actual, so take it with a big ol' handful of salt,
But, if you're looking at an itinerary that comes to 1.6x shortest-flyable, you probably don't need to waste your time calling it in, and if you're looking at 1.2x, you're probably pretty safe.
IF these numbers are any kind of accurate, and that's a big IF, it suggests that there is no fixed multiplier; for example, MPM vs. direct YVR-HKG and direct YYZ-HKG come in at different multiples.
Have a look:
YVR-HKG: SF = YVR-HKG @ 6,380, MPM = 8,381 = 1.31
YYZ-HKG: SF = YYZ-HKG @ 7,806, MPM = 10,957 = 1.40
YYZ-NRT: SF = YYZ-NRT @ 6,407, MPM = 9,049 = 1.41
YYZ-BKK: SF = YYZ-HKG-BKK @ 8,856, MPM = 11,955 = 1.35
YEG-SIN: SF = YEG-YVR-HKG-SIN @ 8,479, MPM = 11,377 = 1.34
YEG-KUL: SF = YEG-YVR-HKG-KUL @ 8,465, MPM = 13,301 = 1.57
YUL-DPS: SF = YUL-YYZ-TPE-DPS @ 11,077, MPM = 16,240 = 1.47
YUL-AMS: SF = YUL-FRA-AMS @ 3,869, MPM = 6,075 = 1.57
YOW-AMS: SF = YOW-YYZ-AMS @ 3,952, MPM = 6,230 = 1.58
May 30, 2015, 8:56 pm
#66
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP, AMEX PLAT, Priority Pass, Admirals Club, SPG Plat, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 222
Has anyone ever had an agent hang up on them when they ask for the MPM of a city pair? The first time it happened I thought it was an accident, but now that it has happened a second time I am starting to think they don't like that question.
Jun 4, 2015, 7:28 pm
#68
Suspended
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: YKF
Programs: AC Elite 50K, Amex AP Plat, Choice Privileges, National Exec Elite, Via Prefrence
Posts: 2,996
Likely one quoted the ticketed point mileage (TPM) which is the shortest distance between two city pairs and another quoted you the MPM (larger number).
Jun 5, 2015, 7:51 pm
#69
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YEG
Posts: 3,717
How does YEG-SIN YEG-KUL have almost 2000 difference when they sit 200 a part??
Jun 5, 2015, 10:49 pm
#70
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan, Alaska, Marriott
Posts: 435
my guess is SIN is a bigger hub than KUL, so they account for a person needing to make connections to get to KUL (like going to SIN first) vs being able to get to SIN directly from most major cities in the world.
Jun 5, 2015, 11:28 pm
#71
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: YKF
Programs: AC Elite 50K, Amex AP Plat, Choice Privileges, National Exec Elite, Via Prefrence
Posts: 2,996
That and mpm will always be greatest when travelling between a non star hub to a non star hub.
Jul 26, 2015, 8:40 am
#73
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,385
Also got accepted with a MEL-SIN-TPE-SEA-YVR-SFO-YYZ routing (15,001 mi),
which would also have been way over 5M.
Jul 26, 2015, 9:32 am
#74
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I know nonstop MPM is not meaningful, but it's just a comparison
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-DPS...ND-BKK-SIN-DPS
+55% over nonstop
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=DPS-YYZ...EK-ICN-FRA-YYZ
+39% over nonstop. Surprised you could come back over Atlantic again
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MEL-YYZ...EA-YVR-SFO-YYZ
+49% over nonstop
Jul 27, 2015, 3:39 pm
#75
Join Date: Nov 2002
Programs: AC; Fairmont Plat; Accor Plat; SPG Plat, BA Gold; A3*G; AB Gold;
Posts: 232
Not sure whether this question is more appropriate here, or in jerry's saving money on Europe redemption thread, but here it goes.
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J