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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html
Between:
Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)
Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)
Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT:
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)
Europe 1-North America
Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952
Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)
Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)
Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)
Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)
Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)
North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)
North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)
North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)
North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565
North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)
As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068
As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462
As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968
North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)
North America-Northern South America
North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017
North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790
North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)
#76
Not sure whether this question is more appropriate here, or in jerry's saving money on Europe redemption thread, but here it goes.
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J
#77
Join Date: Nov 2002
Programs: AC; Fairmont Plat; Accor Plat; SPG Plat, BA Gold; A3*G; AB Gold;
Posts: 232
Thanks again.
J
#78
Ahh, yeah fair enough. They do claim "improvements" to the system which is "creating additional hold times" (does no one see the irony in this? heh). I've been lucky, but I dunno, maybe the useless dDiamond thing is actually working, who knows.
#79
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
Not sure whether this question is more appropriate here, or in jerry's saving money on Europe redemption thread, but here it goes.
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J
Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?
Thanks in advance,
J
I've got YYZ-JFK-BRU-NCE, NCE-ZRH-CDG before
Best to call AP and pay $30+tax fee to book it, spoon feed the segments
you're sure there are no UA space to BRU from IAD/EWR/ORD? I think those are less-known routes so chances are better
#80
Join Date: Nov 2002
Programs: AC; Fairmont Plat; Accor Plat; SPG Plat, BA Gold; A3*G; AB Gold;
Posts: 232
Pretty sure it's a valid routing, ZRH isn't that far out and due to lack of *A in Europe, ZRH/FRA/BRU are common 1-stop hubs between 2 Europe cities
I've got YYZ-JFK-BRU-NCE, NCE-ZRH-CDG before
Best to call AP and pay $30+tax fee to book it, spoon feed the segments
you're sure there are no UA space to BRU from IAD/EWR/ORD? I think those are less-known routes so chances are better
I've got YYZ-JFK-BRU-NCE, NCE-ZRH-CDG before
Best to call AP and pay $30+tax fee to book it, spoon feed the segments
you're sure there are no UA space to BRU from IAD/EWR/ORD? I think those are less-known routes so chances are better
Not wild about the idea of UA F but it's been so long since I've flown UA, hoping for a decent experience.
#81
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,352
It will be decent. Unless you live for sundae bars, in which case it will be awesome
#82
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
My recommendation was right on about UA ex-ORD/IAD/EWR to BRU ^
#83
Join Date: Nov 2002
Programs: AC; Fairmont Plat; Accor Plat; SPG Plat, BA Gold; A3*G; AB Gold;
Posts: 232
@CC I do like a good Ice cream sundae!
I'm a bit miles heavy at the moment, so figured the extra 35k wasn't that big a deal. In all honesty, I'm hoping to try and re-route on the return segment to LH F. It's been about a year since my last F redemption, are AE recalculating YQ after the first segment has been flown? I'm not adverse to paying it if it gets me into LH F (mostly for the FCT), but if I can avoid it why not.
#85
Join Date: Jul 2014
Programs: Jeff is Deaf
Posts: 541
You were right jerry! Thanks for the tip ^
@CC I do like a good Ice cream sundae!
I'm a bit miles heavy at the moment, so figured the extra 35k wasn't that big a deal. In all honesty, I'm hoping to try and re-route on the return segment to LH F. It's been about a year since my last F redemption, are AE recalculating YQ after the first segment has been flown? I'm not adverse to paying it if it gets me into LH F (mostly for the FCT), but if I can avoid it why not.
@CC I do like a good Ice cream sundae!
I'm a bit miles heavy at the moment, so figured the extra 35k wasn't that big a deal. In all honesty, I'm hoping to try and re-route on the return segment to LH F. It's been about a year since my last F redemption, are AE recalculating YQ after the first segment has been flown? I'm not adverse to paying it if it gets me into LH F (mostly for the FCT), but if I can avoid it why not.
#86
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 625
I just updated the wiki with this, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a very generous mileage from YVR. I would think only Johannesburg types (& Perth?) would be able to compete with this. And there are itineraries at 10,400 miles over both oceans. YVR-YYZ-IST-MLE going over the Atlantic, YVR-TPE-SIN-MLE going over the Pacific. So that gives some good latitude for the additional stops and layovers. Does nothing for me, but for some...
#87
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
Not a really useful comment considering OP is flying NA-Europe
I recently flew SIN-HKG on UA F. Much better hard product than SQ J, and service not meaningfully worse than SQ (didn't try the food as I just ate in the lounge.)
I recently flew SIN-HKG on UA F. Much better hard product than SQ J, and service not meaningfully worse than SQ (didn't try the food as I just ate in the lounge.)
#88
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: YVR
Programs: Non-status bottomfeeder
Posts: 827
Just got off the phone with AP and they quoted me a little bit of nonsense.
Pseudo-MPM for YVR-LYR is 6196
Shortest possible route I can think of is YVR-LHR-OSL-LYR and that comes in at 6728.
It's not possible to get to LYR?!
Pseudo-MPM for YVR-LYR is 6196
Shortest possible route I can think of is YVR-LHR-OSL-LYR and that comes in at 6728.
It's not possible to get to LYR?!
#89
Have you tried pricing on the website? If it doesn't come up, you've likely stumbled on another dumb exception (like PPT) - in which case yes, you'd need two awards.
#90
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: OZ Diamond, Jiffypark Manhattan Gold
Posts: 4,485
I've been told that MPM may no longer be kinda optional to pick which crossing you use.
IE: YVR-DXB shows as 9951 AT or 10708 PA, but I'm told that each city pair now only gets 1 and it's closer to the lower of the two.
Any truth to this? If not, does this mean I can effectively PICK which crossing to take? I'm finding on expertflyer almost anything I search has both.
My other question, what's the furthest point from YVR? I SHOULD be able to just look at a map and find a point, but with the MPM crossing question what area would you target?
Based on the sticky, MEL is 9870 (expertflyer, which disagrees with the sticky not sure what's up there) MLE is 10158 (also going against the sticky). Can we think of anything further? I'm literally just looking for the furthest point/highest MPM possible from YVR.
IE: YVR-DXB shows as 9951 AT or 10708 PA, but I'm told that each city pair now only gets 1 and it's closer to the lower of the two.
Any truth to this? If not, does this mean I can effectively PICK which crossing to take? I'm finding on expertflyer almost anything I search has both.
My other question, what's the furthest point from YVR? I SHOULD be able to just look at a map and find a point, but with the MPM crossing question what area would you target?
Based on the sticky, MEL is 9870 (expertflyer, which disagrees with the sticky not sure what's up there) MLE is 10158 (also going against the sticky). Can we think of anything further? I'm literally just looking for the furthest point/highest MPM possible from YVR.