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Old Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)



North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100




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Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)

Old Jul 27, 2015, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
Not sure whether this question is more appropriate here, or in jerry's saving money on Europe redemption thread, but here it goes.

Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?

Thanks in advance,

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Just give it a try. It doesn't seem excessively over, and this shouldn't take hours to ticket - this is nowhere nearly as complicated as some of the more convoluted itineraries.
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Just give it a try. It doesn't seem excessively over, and this shouldn't take hours to ticket - this is nowhere nearly as complicated as some of the more convoluted itineraries.
Thanks for the quick reply! As an aside, I was referring to the reported "hours on hold" waiting for an agent, rather than hours to ticket, but I'll give it a go and report back.

Thanks again.

J
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
Thanks for the quick reply! As an aside, I was referring to the reported "hours on hold" waiting for an agent, rather than hours to ticket, but I'll give it a go and report back.

Thanks again.

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Ahh, yeah fair enough. They do claim "improvements" to the system which is "creating additional hold times" (does no one see the irony in this? heh). I've been lucky, but I dunno, maybe the useless dDiamond thing is actually working, who knows.
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
Not sure whether this question is more appropriate here, or in jerry's saving money on Europe redemption thread, but here it goes.

Trying to minimize YQ on a reward to BRU for next week, and have managed to find availability on YYZ-(AC)-BOS(LX)-ZRH(LX)-BRU on a segment by segment basis. When I do search YYZ-BRU on the AE site, I don't see this option. Before I spend hours on hold with an agent, anyone know if I'm exceeding MPM here? I can get BOS-ZRH-BRU to show on the website, best off to just book that an go revenue YYZ/YTZ -BOS?

Thanks in advance,

J
Pretty sure it's a valid routing, ZRH isn't that far out and due to lack of *A in Europe, ZRH/FRA/BRU are common 1-stop hubs between 2 Europe cities

I've got YYZ-JFK-BRU-NCE, NCE-ZRH-CDG before

Best to call AP and pay $30+tax fee to book it, spoon feed the segments
you're sure there are no UA space to BRU from IAD/EWR/ORD? I think those are less-known routes so chances are better
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by jerryhung
Pretty sure it's a valid routing, ZRH isn't that far out and due to lack of *A in Europe, ZRH/FRA/BRU are common 1-stop hubs between 2 Europe cities

I've got YYZ-JFK-BRU-NCE, NCE-ZRH-CDG before

Best to call AP and pay $30+tax fee to book it, spoon feed the segments
you're sure there are no UA space to BRU from IAD/EWR/ORD? I think those are less-known routes so chances are better
In the end while I was waiting on hold to speak to an AE agent, I booked YYZ-IAD-BRU-ORD-YYZ in UA F. Only $161CAD in fees.

Not wild about the idea of UA F but it's been so long since I've flown UA, hoping for a decent experience.
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
In the end while I was waiting on hold to speak to an AE agent, I booked YYZ-IAD-BRU-ORD-YYZ in UA F. Only $161CAD in fees.

Not wild about the idea of UA F but it's been so long since I've flown UA, hoping for a decent experience.
It will be decent. Unless you live for sundae bars, in which case it will be awesome
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Old Jul 27, 2015, 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
In the end while I was waiting on hold to speak to an AE agent, I booked YYZ-IAD-BRU-ORD-YYZ in UA F. Only $161CAD in fees.

Not wild about the idea of UA F but it's been so long since I've flown UA, hoping for a decent experience.
but you had to pay F miles for UA F? ouch, ha

My recommendation was right on about UA ex-ORD/IAD/EWR to BRU ^
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Old Jul 28, 2015, 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by jerryhung
but you had to pay F miles for UA F? ouch, ha

My recommendation was right on about UA ex-ORD/IAD/EWR to BRU ^
You were right jerry! Thanks for the tip ^

@CC I do like a good Ice cream sundae!

I'm a bit miles heavy at the moment, so figured the extra 35k wasn't that big a deal. In all honesty, I'm hoping to try and re-route on the return segment to LH F. It's been about a year since my last F redemption, are AE recalculating YQ after the first segment has been flown? I'm not adverse to paying it if it gets me into LH F (mostly for the FCT), but if I can avoid it why not.
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Old Aug 8, 2015, 7:36 pm
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I know MPM is not a fixed value, but just a datapoint for you guys as a reference:

YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)

Happy flying!
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Old Sep 4, 2015, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by jantaoYVR
You were right jerry! Thanks for the tip ^

@CC I do like a good Ice cream sundae!

I'm a bit miles heavy at the moment, so figured the extra 35k wasn't that big a deal. In all honesty, I'm hoping to try and re-route on the return segment to LH F. It's been about a year since my last F redemption, are AE recalculating YQ after the first segment has been flown? I'm not adverse to paying it if it gets me into LH F (mostly for the FCT), but if I can avoid it why not.
UA F is a joke. I would take SQ J over UA F.
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Old Sep 4, 2015, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by tonywush
I know MPM is not a fixed value, but just a datapoint for you guys as a reference:

YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)

Happy flying!
I just updated the wiki with this, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a very generous mileage from YVR. I would think only Johannesburg types (& Perth?) would be able to compete with this. And there are itineraries at 10,400 miles over both oceans. YVR-YYZ-IST-MLE going over the Atlantic, YVR-TPE-SIN-MLE going over the Pacific. So that gives some good latitude for the additional stops and layovers. Does nothing for me, but for some...
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Old Sep 5, 2015, 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by YoungSoloTraveler
UA F is a joke. I would take SQ J over UA F.
Not a really useful comment considering OP is flying NA-Europe

I recently flew SIN-HKG on UA F. Much better hard product than SQ J, and service not meaningfully worse than SQ (didn't try the food as I just ate in the lounge.)
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Old Sep 6, 2015, 5:12 pm
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Just got off the phone with AP and they quoted me a little bit of nonsense.
Pseudo-MPM for YVR-LYR is 6196
Shortest possible route I can think of is YVR-LHR-OSL-LYR and that comes in at 6728.

It's not possible to get to LYR?!
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Old Sep 6, 2015, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by zoobtoob
Just got off the phone with AP and they quoted me a little bit of nonsense.
Pseudo-MPM for YVR-LYR is 6196
Shortest possible route I can think of is YVR-LHR-OSL-LYR and that comes in at 6728.

It's not possible to get to LYR?!
Have you tried pricing on the website? If it doesn't come up, you've likely stumbled on another dumb exception (like PPT) - in which case yes, you'd need two awards.
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Old Oct 9, 2015, 9:43 am
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I've been told that MPM may no longer be kinda optional to pick which crossing you use.

IE: YVR-DXB shows as 9951 AT or 10708 PA, but I'm told that each city pair now only gets 1 and it's closer to the lower of the two.

Any truth to this? If not, does this mean I can effectively PICK which crossing to take? I'm finding on expertflyer almost anything I search has both.

My other question, what's the furthest point from YVR? I SHOULD be able to just look at a map and find a point, but with the MPM crossing question what area would you target?

Based on the sticky, MEL is 9870 (expertflyer, which disagrees with the sticky not sure what's up there) MLE is 10158 (also going against the sticky). Can we think of anything further? I'm literally just looking for the furthest point/highest MPM possible from YVR.
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