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Old Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)



North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100




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Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)

Old Jan 25, 2017, 7:10 pm
  #166  
 
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Originally Posted by anorg90
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR is +28% over YYZ-LHR...

easy to test by using Multi-city online to see if it's allowed
YYZ-LHR
LHR-ZRH
ZRH-YYZ
or
YYZ-ZRH
ZRH-LHR
LHR-YYZ

even if you fly LX, stopping at LHR will kill you on tax/fees and APD
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by quantumofforce
YYZ-YYT-LHR
Well, I mentioned Gander, but this should be completely legal.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 9:11 pm
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Just booked

YYZ > IST > LHE (Dest)
LHE > BKK > HKT (phuket) POT
HKT > BKK > ZRH > ATH (Dest)
ATH > IST > YYZ

Max MPM One wat was 12,511 and it was allowed n bookable.

I asked Max mileage from YYZ > HKT and she said its 14,450. Some one can edit the Wiki as i dont have enough posts yet.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
But my point is, *any* nonstop routing to LHR will be legal, and the moment you stop *anywhere*, that will be further than LHR so that will be the new MPM.
Originally Posted by anorg90
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
I was going to say, is it that unreasonable that a non-status Aeroplan member might want YYZ-IST-LHR-IST-YYZ?

Just because you only want to go to London doesn't mean you want to pay YQ.

SFO-IST-ZRH was definitely valid, though SFO-ZRH is definitely a much longer route than YYZ-LHR.
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Old Jan 26, 2017, 12:02 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I was going to say, is it that unreasonable that a non-status Aeroplan member might want YYZ-IST-LHR-IST-YYZ?

Just because you only want to go to London doesn't mean you want to pay YQ.

SFO-IST-ZRH was definitely valid, though SFO-ZRH is definitely a much longer route than YYZ-LHR.
Right but the point, once again, that I was making was that basically ANY "logical connection" routing to LHR should be legal via a major gateway in Europe. IST is pushing it indeed distance-wise, but I will eat my hat if Aeroplan disallows it.
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Old Jan 26, 2017, 11:15 am
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Originally Posted by anorg90
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
If ZRH is your point of turnaround, you can't go through it twice like you are now. Only way to make it work would be to have a point of turnaround even further away, or route YYZ-JFK-GVA-LHR-ZRH (should work, I think?), or do YYZ-BRU-LHR-ZRH.

If you have something like Rome as your POT, you can do YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR stop, LHR-BRU-FCO POT, FCO-ZRH-YUL/IAD/ORD/JFK-YYZ

If you do London before your other Europe stop, you can reduce APD as your next destination is short haul. Reduce it even more by flying it in Economy (same seat anyways, minus lounge access)

As for routing through Istanbul, I didn't check east coast, but Zurich Istanbul Chicago YVR is legal but Zurich Istanbul San Fran YVR was greyed out and over mpm as per the Aeroplan multi city tool
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Old Feb 15, 2017, 11:42 am
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Is there only one MPM now looked at, no more MPM for TPAC & TATL?
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Old Feb 18, 2017, 9:01 am
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South America to SYD

Does anyone have any idea what the MPM would be from one of the major centres in South America (BOG, LIM, SCL, GRU etc) to SYD?

Looking at doing a mini-rtw from South America across the Atlantic with stops in Europe, Southeast Asia, Australia, and then back to South America across the Pacific.
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Old Feb 18, 2017, 11:17 am
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I'm going to expect a very low number, given that you can fly direct from South America to Auckland. Asia is more likely your point of turnaround
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 11:15 am
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I just called in to get a quote on YEG-AKL, thinking it would be very similar to YEG-MEL. Wrong. 12078 versus 13921... that a huge difference. Essentially if AKL is your POT, routing through ASIA is impossible.
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by hearna
I just called in to get a quote on YEG-AKL, thinking it would be very similar to YEG-MEL. Wrong. 12078 versus 13921... that a huge difference. Essentially if AKL is your POT, routing through ASIA is impossible.
Thanks for the report. That's a difference of ~1800 miles.
And, as the crow flies, MEL is about 1100 miles farther than AKL from YEG:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yeg-mel,yeg-akl

It's consistent if you look at the difference in MPM, from YYZ and even YHZ (in the wiki), about 2400 more MPM miles.
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL -16210

YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-AKL, -15,068
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Old Feb 21, 2017, 7:42 am
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The issue really with AKL is Australia/Asia is an important gateway. There are almost no direct from N/A availability, and even availability direct from Asia is difficult.

I mean yeah flying YEG-YVR-SFO-AKL is ideal, and flying YEG-YVR-TPE-BNE-AKL is a big detour, it is necessary when it comes to availability.
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Old Mar 12, 2017, 1:41 pm
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JFK-DPS: agent quoted my 16,789. I booked a routing of 16,515 miles (JFK-IST-SEZ-ADD-DEL-SIN-DPS).
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Old Mar 22, 2017, 2:41 pm
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Quoted 18,050 for YYZ-PER. Updated the wiki. This makes a 6-continent mini-RTW entirely possible...

YYZ-YUL-ZRH-SIN-PER-JNB-GRU-YYZ would be the bones of the trip. There's still quite a lot of room to play with.

You could also leverage the new AKL-EZE route operated by NZ to do something like YYZ-BRU-CAI-IST-SIN-PER-AKL-EZE-YYZ, though I've yet to see any availability on AKL-EZE.
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Old Mar 22, 2017, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by flyer05
Quoted 18,050 for YYZ-PER. Updated the wiki. This makes a 6-continent mini-RTW entirely possible...

YYZ-YUL-ZRH-SIN-PER-JNB-GRU-YYZ would be the bones of the trip. There's still quite a lot of room to play with.

You could also leverage the new AKL-EZE route operated by NZ to do something like YYZ-BRU-CAI-IST-SIN-PER-AKL-EZE-YYZ, though I've yet to see any availability on AKL-EZE.
Definitely something I'm tempted, but in reality probably will never do (family of 4, not enough vacation days, too long of flights)

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