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Old Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)



North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100




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Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)

Old Apr 17, 2017, 8:55 pm
  #196  
 
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Newbie question and sorry if already asked...what's the point of the pairings? Thanks.
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Old Apr 17, 2017, 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ReallyNotFrequentFlyer
Newbie question and sorry if already asked...what's the point of the pairings? Thanks.
The number for each city pair is the maximum distance permitted (one way) for any route between your origin and destination. This helps in planning stopovers and layovers along the way.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 5:24 am
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Might be a dumb question, but I'm only asking since they used to have MPM5...is there totally 0 flexibility to these numbers?

I'm looking at YVR-BKK shows in the sticky as 12150, the route I just checked on gcmap YVR-YYZ-WAW-IST-DXB-BKK is 12184.

Now I just called...this is what I was quoted...

YVR-BKK 12,160
BKK-YVR 12,170

Even she couldn't explain the extra 10 miles...but that's also a 10 mile bump from the 12,150 on the sticky.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:25 am
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Gc map is not accurate to the mile. Good for ballpark, but when you're pushing the margin, just call and ask to validate
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by crimsona
Gc map is not accurate to the mile. Good for ballpark, but when you're pushing the margin, just call and ask to validate
Fair enough, maybe I'll give that a shot. It's really the best routing based on availability and letting me stop in DXB.
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 8:39 pm
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Originally Posted by drvannostren
Fair enough, maybe I'll give that a shot. It's really the best routing based on availability and letting me stop in DXB.
yyz-yul-ist-dxb?
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Old Apr 28, 2017, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by hearna
yyz-yul-ist-dxb?
This would've worked, so would YVR-YYZ-IST-DXB-BKK.

The problem was getting the J seats. I had everything lined up, but one of the connections was like 30 minutes too short to connect and 1 hour too long to make it a < 24 stop.

In the end...I'm pleased to report the routing worked.

Just booked

YVR-YYZ-WAW-IST-DXB-BKK

Sadly my return crushed my spirits so I had to let it go. Wanted to fly 380 and 350 but OZ across the pacific got my fuel surcharge to almost $800 CAD. Scrapped that, got BR for $450 total roughly. Honestly the $800 probably wasn't that bad, but it's a short J trip and I figure I can fly 380/350 maybe in the future. The 350 is still perhaps in the cards, originally when I looked (a couple days back) TG DXB-BKK was a 350, then it got swapped to 330. Hopefully they switch it back, we'll see.

Thanks for the help folks.
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Old Apr 29, 2017, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by drvannostren
This would've worked, so would YVR-YYZ-IST-DXB-BKK.

The problem was getting the J seats. I had everything lined up, but one of the connections was like 30 minutes too short to connect and 1 hour too long to make it a < 24 stop.

In the end...I'm pleased to report the routing worked.

Just booked

YVR-YYZ-WAW-IST-DXB-BKK

Sadly my return crushed my spirits so I had to let it go. Wanted to fly 380 and 350 but OZ across the pacific got my fuel surcharge to almost $800 CAD. Scrapped that, got BR for $450 total roughly. Honestly the $800 probably wasn't that bad, but it's a short J trip and I figure I can fly 380/350 maybe in the future. The 350 is still perhaps in the cards, originally when I looked (a couple days back) TG DXB-BKK was a 350, then it got swapped to 330. Hopefully they switch it back, we'll see.

Thanks for the help folks.
TG swaps aircraft very often.
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Old Apr 30, 2017, 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by quantumofforce
TG swaps aircraft very often.
So I've heard

Fingers crossed!

I will say there's some quirks in the whole thing though. Like it seems strange to me that YYC-BKK is quoted way lower than YVR, YOW/YYZ are quoted marginally lower.

Also it's a bit funny that while my furthest destination in this case was BKK (not by much admittedly) but I PAID for DXB because it's more expensive on the award chart. Just a lil quirky is all.
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Old May 1, 2017, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by drvannostren
So I've heard
Also it's a bit funny that while my furthest destination in this case was BKK (not by much admittedly) but I PAID for DXB because it's more expensive on the award chart. Just a lil quirky is all.
Do you mean to say you paid NA-Middle East mileage, but were still subject to YVR-BKK MPM?
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Old May 1, 2017, 10:02 pm
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Originally Posted by flyer05
Do you mean to say you paid NA-Middle East mileage, but were still subject to YVR-BKK MPM?
Yup, exactly.

I knew that going in, or at least I thought I did, but I confirmed with her over the phone. Just a little quirk. I understand the award chart isn't necessarily based just on distance, but I found it funny that I was subject to MPM for BKK and Costs for DXB.
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Old May 1, 2017, 10:11 pm
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Don't suppose anyone has called recently and has the MPM between YVR-EZE? I'd call but I'm out of country at the moment.

BTW, the info for MPM on expertflyer...what's that good for? I checked YVR-BKK pursuant to my trip booking and the number EF gives is way off from what AP gives.
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Old May 10, 2017, 7:47 am
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Alright, so when I got back home I got a chance to call AC.

If anyone wants to add this to the sticky or wiki...

YVR-EZE 11,557 was what I was quoted
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Old May 19, 2017, 11:49 pm
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Got this MPM directly from Aeroplan agent:
YEG-HKG is 9137
YEG-SIN is 13447
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Old May 22, 2017, 12:27 pm
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Does anyone have a quote for YYZ-SEZ .... cannot get thru to Aeroplan...
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